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More FTTP in Suffolk to help businesses

Some lucky businesses on the Ransomes Industrial Estate near the Suffolk Showground in Ipswich now have the option of a FTTP service via the Openreach network and thus is available from a variety of providers who resell the WBC-FTTP service (e.g. AAISP and Claranet to name just two). This means available speeds will jump from the current ADSL2+ speed of 3 to 7 Mbps to whatever speed it purchased from 40 Mbps through to 330 Mbps in the download direction and 30 Mbps for uploads.

Suffolk County in September 2014 recorded a median download of 12.2 Mbps, which may not sound that amazing but when compared to a median of 2.6 Mbps just three years ago you can see how things have progressed, in 2009 the median was actually below 2 Mbps.

Comments

Don't they have an FTTC there option then ?

  • herdwick
  • over 2 years ago

The addresses that have just gained fttp as an option did not have fttc as an option before

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

Hi
The Median 12.2 for Suffork was for the three months date because you are dropping at six months daily.

  • Blackmamba
  • over 2 years ago

@Blackmamba We drop at three months as you have been told before.

Also the calculations are independent of the maps site, so can be done over various time periods.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

Hi Andrew you are dropping off on the Map site at 6 months because the results are changing on the post codes.

  • Blackmamba
  • over 2 years ago

Which postcode and will look once again

Or even better the id of the affected tests.

Irrespective of that what is shown on the maps the figure in the article was for September 2014

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

Hi Andrew please will you look at post code GU 102 NZ and I think you will find on the zen line you have data very close to the six months.

  • Blackmamba
  • over 2 years ago

Hi Andrew I think you will find 14 tests on the ZEN line and the lowest 6 was placed recent.

  • Blackmamba
  • over 2 years ago

Database matches the maps site

14 tests shown and 14 in the data base for last 3 months and 90 within a six month period.

The four figure for BT is correct too, as in six months there have been nine.

So as I said they expire after 3 months and there was the same result after I checked last time.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

Hi Andrew. Thanks for your time.

  • Blackmamba
  • over 2 years ago

I assune this is BT Commercial investment? But note that SCC are planning to use SEP funds to pay for the following. I quote Some examples of these are the Farthing Road Industrial Estate in Ipswich, Haverhill Industrial Estate, and parts of key growth areas in Ipswich such as the town centre, Havens and Waterfront. They also refer to BT reviewing their commercial area.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

Believe it was part of the Suffolk BDUK programme

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

@Andrew Thanks Crikey. I see BT- Redburn sell recommendation where Openreach is over valued at £13bn - £1.2-£1.7bn of public cash would be an interesting piece of that.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

Not sure why the crikey, as FTTP being part of the various county projects was mentioned at various contract signings.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

andrew - but not in business parks in large county towns where fibre existed in the form of EADs. Suffolk CC have reported some of these were originally in BT's commercial area.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

Was only commenting on the one I know about that is actually live.

Given national BDUK project aim was extend superfast coverage from around 2/3rds to 90%, unless 1/3rd of the UK is rural (it is not) then clearly lots of edge of town and infill was going to be done.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

@andrew sure but with gap funding (state aid) closer to Iwade and NI at £10-£15k a path/cab than an average of £46k, and where duct exists you would not expect BT Openreach to be putting active components and power in the network. This would allow the available money to go further. Housing estates and business parks should only need the gap funding to contribute to a spine where no fibre previously existed. Ransomes is within 2-3km of Adastral Park.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

@ValueForMoney so if one home owner who is rich or a business pays for a leased line, others in the area should be denied access to the gap funding?

My understanding of GEA network and its construction is that other than sharing some ducting now and then, it is new fibre heading back to handover exchange, rather than co-habiting existing fibres. All the fibre splitting outside the handover exchange is passive.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

@andrew Does BT business model make impossible the supply of FTTC in the example you describe? More generally I speaking proportionality. £10-£15k for urban in-fill seemed adequate before, why does it need to the average identified for what was to be considered rural?

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

What BT Business model?

http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-milton-keynes/wgc_media/source/IMG_4374.JPG shows the FTTP setup used for GEA roll-out, the cabinets simply take their fibre feed from the aggregation node.

In terms making FTTC impossible, there is no need as you can order 40/10 or 80/20 services over the GEA-FTTP connection for same price as FTTC, with £99 managed install fee (long retail contracts often absorb this over time)

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

@Andrew The BT business model which directs their commercial decision making and which dictates the amount of gap funding that might be required.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

Making commercial FTTC impossible for BT arises from the existence of EADs.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

So those business parks with fttc don't have EAD available to them then?

Is that what you are saying?

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

the commercial roll out was primarily around residential and most commercial cabs service in excess of circa 250 - 300 customer or greater -- most business parks have about e0 - - 50 customer per cab so no commercial case of FTTc -- - that why most business parks not done by BDUk as cost per per prem is much higher in a business park

most business parks have some form of EAD or ethernet close by

  • fastman
  • over 2 years ago

Value each cab cost will be dependant on how much it costs to get to it - so most will be above this 10 -15 k -- not sure where you get that from (most will be above that and some will be significantly higher than that

  • fastman
  • over 2 years ago

Fastman - Iwade Islip NI first 126X cabs gap funding as reported here was much less. BT Commercial rollout capital was £1.3bn (38%cash)- 19m premises covered by c55k cabs - so fully allocated gives a non gap funded average of c£25k - certainly not needing an average subsidy of £46k

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

How is the 46k arrived at?

Plus averages can hide a lot of sins.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 2 years ago

@VFM As a start its probably better to look at costs for enabling cabs in new exchange areas separately from infill cabs as there will be vastly differing exchange and hand-over costs incurred in bring service to a new exchange.

  • Gadget
  • over 2 years ago

Value -- Iawade i cannot comment on - islip all you can see if the Gap the community were asked to fund there were specific reasons around some infrastructre openreach was able to use and the amount of premises in the community that enabled that gap to be as it was (that gap is not a typical Gap)- you will have no visibility of the actual cost.

no view on NI

  • fastman
  • over 2 years ago

i woud assume that any FTTP in Suffolk is BDUK and not commercial

  • fastman
  • over 2 years ago

If this is first round BDUK money it is a change of plan as the area was subject only to the 2mbps commitment unless BT have decided that FTTP is the cheapest way of meeting this commitment as it is a very spread out area with some residential mixed in

  • gerarda
  • over 2 years ago

@andrew convert table 11 in NAO report p33 using the key that a cabinet of 28.9k accounts for on average 36% of the cost. Take out BT's operational costs and use 77% public subidy to get the average.
Then compare with milestone payments paid by North Yorks and others using their published minutes available online. A little crude but that how the money is flowing. No evidence of actuals being reconciled yet.

  • ValueforMoney
  • over 2 years ago

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