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The growing size of the Openreach Fibre First footprint

It is a month since our last look at how the splits for Openreach full fibre so it is time to look again and with a whole new batch of First First exchange areas announced the figures have changed.

Splits for Openreach FTTP and change in category since 12th July 2019:

  • 452,996 premises via BDUK or other rural intervention (increase of 7,448)
  • 586,503 premises in Fibre First areas (increase of 104,038)
  • 224,761 premises via New Build since January 2016 (increase of 2,557)
  • 149,299 premises via commercial/old roll-out (decrease of 27,010)

The reason for the drop in old commercial figures is that we had started to already see some FTTP roll-out in areas that were previously not designated as Fibre First areas but with the set of new Fibre First areas announced some exchanges have now changed category.

The increase in new build FTTP is small compared to the previous month because we are waiting on the next ONS postcode release that will tell us what the new postcodes are and then we can figure out what sort of broadband is available or not. The next ONS release is expected in early September.

Comments

So roughly a 1/4 of the 'new' Fibre First are actually just renamed older connections?

  • burble
  • 9 days ago

That 7,448 FTTP in rural in a month is worth a shout. That's 89k in a year if it is representative.

Merely double it with Stratum and R100 and over 5 years and the edge of the network would be transformed while taking superfast to 99%. The money is there to do it so it will be an interesting number to keep an eye on.

Thank you.

  • ValueforMoney
  • 9 days ago

@b

  • New_Londoner
  • 9 days ago

So ignoring the reclassification of some connections BT saw an overall increase of 87,000 premises passed by full fibre in the last month. In contrast City Fibre have increased their premises passed by roughly 50,000 in the last eight months.

  • MCM999
  • 9 days ago

On the 1/4 being renamed old FTTP - while some will be it is a long way from being a quarter e.g Thornton Heath the majority of the change this month was actually recent roll-out on exchanges that were not no the Fibre First list but are now. Remember a year ago the Openreach FTTP footprint was just around the 500,000 mark.

Portobello in Edinburgh is one example of the change.

Others with decent amounts of recent build but not on Fibre First list are Hunslet and Failsworth.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 9 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers.
Until the new post codes are registered on TBB d/Base the results will be out as I know building sites that are not registered on the BT / Checker as the Post Codes do not exist.

  • Blackmamba
  • 9 days ago

I may be misunderstanding the Fibre First announcement but as a small rural parish it seems unfair. Just outside Bromsgrove our broadband is sub-2Mbps due to the distance we are from cabinets that have already been fibre enabled. Since we are not in any deployments we got quotes for CFP/LBP bids for FTTP. With residents willing to contribute a substantial amount of money we said we wished to proceed last summer. We still don’t have a firm date for installation - latest guestimate is “hopefully by March 2020”. Yet starting in October Bromsgrove will get even faster broadband while we wait?

  • mrsrmb
  • 9 days ago

Some of the earliest Fibre First areas are still waiting on their deployments to reach a significant number on an exchange and even for those just recently announced planning and decisions to go there will have been made a long time ago.

Build scales from start of work to completion are not dissimilar between the CFP/LBP and Fibre First areas, we know that because you can often see roadworks happening as much as 6 to 9 months ahead of infrastructure being live.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 9 days ago

@mrsrmb
By "we said we wished to proceed last summer" I presume you have already signed contracts with Openreach & paid up? If that's the case, then you WILL get FTTP sooner or later but firm dates might be dependent on many unknowns/variables (eg condition of u/g ducts) so Openreach might only be able to give you an estimated build completion date at this moment in time.

  • baby_frogmella
  • 9 days ago

@mrsrmb As an example in our case not FTTP but rather an AIO FTTC cabinet for our EO lines. We signed and paid in April 2015 with a planned completion by April 2016 but due to problems with Lambeth we had to wait until September 2016 before the cab became available for orders. A year from start to finish is by no means unusual if not the norm.

  • MCM999
  • 9 days ago

@MCM999 how much were you squeezed for and how many shared the cost?

  • ValueforMoney
  • 9 days ago

ValueforMoney. c£18,500 75 properties.

  • MCM999
  • 9 days ago

Part of the village has fttp as they were getting sub 2mb speeds and can only use bt as a ISP as no one else offers fttp packages, however the rest of the village cannot have fttp even though the fibre is under or over ground past all of the other properties, due to openreach 'commercial reasons' surely it would economically viable to connect the other premises at the same time with the gigabit voucher scheme???

  • chunkychops
  • 9 days ago

Part of the village has fttp as they were getting sub 2mb speeds and can only use bt as a ISP as no one else offers fttp packages, however the rest of the village cannot have fttp even though the fibre is under or over ground past all of the other properties, due to openreach 'commercial reasons' surely it would economically viable to connect the other premises at the same time with the gigabit voucher scheme???

  • chunkychops
  • 9 days ago

'Hi Broadband Watchers.
Until the new post codes are registered on TBB d/Base the results will be out as I know building sites that are not registered on the BT / Checker as the Post Codes do not exist'

If the premises don't exist they don't have FTTP. If they don't have FTTP it's not a problem that checkers don't report them.

Not sure what you're trying to say?

  • CarlThomas
  • 9 days ago

@chunkychops the Gigabit Voucher Scheme could be used but it needs the residents and businesses to initiate this

As for people on FTTP only being able to use FTTP that is incorrect as a package search on this site will show.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 9 days ago

Andrew. ChunkyChops
Think it should have read "As for people on FTTP only being able to use BT that is incorrect as a package search on this site will show."

  • jumpmum
  • 9 days ago

Hi CarlThomes.
The information on the Post Code ( Shop Window) must be correct for the iSP,s and others if this is not correct it courses many problems.
There is a high % on the BT Checker which are not correct.
If you are interested just check on Cala Homes Grayshott Hants this is a good example on an estate with plot numbers in the 80.s.
The addresses on the BT / Checker should be the same as the OFCom data if not you are in trouble big time.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers.
The above customers are included in the Haslemere code (01428) Surrey where the fibre is terminated which covers many Post Codes which are not correct on the BT/ Checker.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

@Blackmamba What has Ofcom got to do with it? They have no part to play in allocating UPRN, postcodes and addresses. Pointing this out as you have repeated this idea a number of times.

Ofcom data is reliant on receiving data from the numerous providers using its legal powers and therefore only as good as was supplied on the date it was supplied.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 8 days ago

@MCM999 Thanks. Which street in Southwark is it? £18,500/75 - £246 plus whatever BT invested is not far off the urban investment (£300-£400) for full fibre. Was FTTP costed? There appears a great many copper rearranges + cabinet where full fibre two years later would be the default choice.

  • ValueforMoney
  • 8 days ago

Hi Andrews Staff.
Just use the sample above on the site Appalgarth and you will see what I am getting at I have visited the sales and the site office and you will see where the procedure is failing.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

So you talking about the premises that are not gold addresses in the BT checker in GU26 6JL?

Are people living in the new premises no the site yet?

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 8 days ago

Hi Andrew staff.
Yes there are houses in use and many Plots sold the site is section off reason HS . I think Openreach has cabled each section.
The sales team refers the addresses as plots at the front office so the BT/ Checker should show this because the new houses would be registered with the council. This in turn would show on Post Code (OFCom d/base Bt. Checker etc.)
So I am say that the OFCom DBase is the most important on the Addresses / Information.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

@Blackmamba OFCOM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ADDRESS ALLOCATION. Please understand this. Ofcom is a telecoms regulator not the property/address allocator.

Are the houses registered with the council then? Care to tell us what the UPRN assigned are?

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 8 days ago

@Blackmamba OFCOM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ADDRESS ALLOCATION. Please understand this. Ofcom is a regulator not the property/address allocator, yes they are the regulator for Post Office but the work of allocation is done by the Post Office.

Are the houses registered with the council then? Care to tell us what the UPRN assigned are?

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 8 days ago

Look up Bungalow on GU26 6JL.

  • Somerset
  • 8 days ago

Hi Andrews Staff.
A person home has to be registered before they can move in so the postal and other service can provide their services to the Post Code and address.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

Hi Somerset. Can you see it yes it does come off Hindhead Exchange which is off Haslemere 01428.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

@VfM Not Southwark but rather Lambeth. Vauxhall exchange. 36 house, 39 flats. The search for faster broadband commenced prior to 2013 and involved both Hyperoptic and OpenReach. Note that in those days Hyperoptic charged. Hyperoptic was more expensive than BT and unpopular due to their suggested deployment method which was two sites, lets call them cabinets, with external LAN cabling including catenary wiring to the various properties. Openreach FTTP wasn't really an option at that time due to the 39 flats. Wayleave wasn't the problem, we collectively own the freehold.

  • MCM999
  • 8 days ago

So @Blackmamba we see to know the postcode what service is actually available to those who have moved in?

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 8 days ago

@BM - you will find the connection to old GSCs is no longer relevant.

  • Somerset
  • 8 days ago

Hi Andrews staff.
I will wait for the Post Code data to filter through it may be with the other post codes that are incorrect in the Haslemere area 01428.

  • Blackmamba
  • 8 days ago

@BM - which postcodes are incorrect and where?

  • Somerset
  • 8 days ago

VFM comments such as how much were you squeezed for and how many shared the cost?
are disengenous and unhelpful (and also not of relevance to you - communities fund the Gap over and above the Openreach commercial case

  • fastman
  • 8 days ago

VFM this is close to 3 years ago

@MCM999 Thanks. Which street in Southwark is it? £18,500/75 - £246 plus whatever BT invested is not far off the urban investment (£300-£400) for full fibre. Was FTTP costed? There appears a great many copper rearranges + cabinet where full fibre two years later would be the default choice.

  • fastman
  • 8 days ago

Hi Somerset.
I do not understand why you want the Post Codes which are incorrect when you never believe what I say, but I will give you the Exchange and it is Passfield aprox 500 Customers which is off Haslemere (01428).

  • Blackmamba
  • 7 days ago

My assumption is that incorrect is referring to some postcodes that have just changed due to a new cabinet 4 (appeared live in the last week) and will be on our lookups tonight and maps over the course of the next month.

For those not aware Passfield exchange is around 500 premises, this new cab 4 is just a fraction of those.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 7 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers.
This Exchange Passfield (Hants) all the 500 lines were EO and has been left to the last in the Haslemere Area (01428) to have work done and to be extended back to Haslemere miles 8 this is being covered by FTTC plus the long line will be pure fibre thus making the building redundant. I did maintain this old UAX Passfield at that time it had aprox 125 on 4 Racks.

  • Blackmamba
  • 7 days ago

And Passfield now has three live cabinets, 2,3 & 4.

So what is incorrect about it?

As for the 4 racks in the kit, nice bit of history but totally irrelevant to a VDSL2 deployment.

You get asked so many questions only because so much of what you say is confusing and a good number of us worry about you misleading the general public.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 7 days ago

@MCM999 Thanks -
@Fastman, disengenous? Copper re-arranging in urban areas looks wasteful then and now! What was BT's contribution in this case?

  • ValueforMoney
  • 7 days ago

@BM - the building will only be redundant if the voice comes out of the FTTC cabinets. Does it? Could do as no LLU?

  • Somerset
  • 7 days ago

Lots of Fibre Cities activity on roadworks.org for the Arrowebrook exchange in Wirral. So it looks like that’s the next headend, supplying FTTP coverage to west Wirral

  • _Mike_B_
  • 6 days ago

Hi Somerset.
I will be going to Passfield this Morning and I will reply so the general Public understands.

  • Blackmamba
  • 6 days ago

Hi Somerset. I have checked Passfield Exchange Area off Haslemere (01428)
There are Cabs 2,3,4 covering 380 customers ( Samknows) there is also a few post codes that have pure fibre on the route to Liphook which are not showing on TBB maps.
I checked for Cab 1 which I thought would be outside of the EXchange to cover the local lines EO to get them above 24 meg.
So it looks like they are getting fibre. If a cab 128 was required near the Exchange very cheap and quick to do EL from the redundant old Kiosk.

  • Blackmamba
  • 6 days ago

Have had a look and postcodes for the FTTP on Passfield and some Liphook will appear in checker tonight and maps in the next couple of days. For once some information was given that I understood.

On Cabinet 1 until it is live not interested.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 6 days ago

blackmamba

This Exchange Passfield (Hants) all the 500 lines were EO and has been left to the last in the Haslemere Area (01428) FTTC plus the long line will be pure fibre thus making the building redundant.

you might have had some understanding back in the day but it bears no resemblance to today network

not sure why it will be redundande as copper remains and the network is as is all that is happended an Blown fiblre tubling will enable an FTTC or copper service to be provided - nothing else has changed

more disinformation as ever

  • fastman
  • 6 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers and Fastman.
This Exchange Northchapel which is off Haslemere (01483) with EO lines plus Cabs.
The Post Codes not showing on TBB Maps fibre are.
Gu84SU. Northchapel. Road A283
Gu272FG. Northchapel. Road A283
Gu289EJ. Northchapel. Road A283
Gu289EL. Northchapel. Road A283. Cripplecrutch Hill.

Gu289HA. Northchapel. Dial Green. Lurgashall is also fibre.

  • Blackmamba
  • 5 days ago

Those along with others will be on the checker later today and another map run for the FTTP layer at the weekend.

Now to just find another 2960 premises of Openreach FTTP across UK to keep the daily rate going

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 5 days ago

Hi Andrews staff
When looking for fibre on a Post Code I located a new FTTC number 30 Bordon it is located in Blackmore Hants at the end of Drift road most of the Post Codes are yellow there is fibre close which I feel is correct.

  • Blackmamba
  • 5 days ago

When looking for fibre on a Post Code I located a new FTTC number 30 Bordon it is located in Blackmore Hants at the end of Drift road most of the Post Codes are yellow there is fibre close which I feel is correct.

that will be FTTC - this forum is about FTTP so irrelevant

  • fastman
  • 5 days ago

As I've said before not all maps are updated daily, impossible to do them all dail, the yellow/red/green layer is a number of weeks out of date.

Postcode look ups do update daily apart from Christmas Day

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 5 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers and Fastman
Frensham Ex Area . Post Code Gu102HE High thicket Road Dockenfield is Fibre. Surrey. Yellow
Bordon EX Area. Post. Code. Gu350QX. Farnham Road. Forest Halt. Hants. Yellow
Liphook EX Area. Post. Code. Gu307EQ Wheatsheaf old A3 by railway bridge Cab 7. Hants. Yellow

  • Blackmamba
  • 3 days ago

Will again appear in checker later today and map when I finish rendering other layers

Did find more than those 3 locations too by the way

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 3 days ago

Hi Broadband Watchers.
In Wormley area the post codes to check are. Gu84XP. Gu84DS. Gu84DT. Gu84DW. Gu85TA. Gu85LB.

In the Haslemere Area the Post Codes to check are GU272EN. Gu272EL. I think they have pure fibre access.

You may have picked them up today in your last check as above.

  • Blackmamba
  • 3 days ago

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