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North Yorkshire to spend £20.5m to add five per cent superfast broadband coverage

The details of the phase three BDUK contract in North Yorkshire are now known and while the locations are not known for who will precisely benefit i.e. where the 14,239 premises are with superfast coverage at 90.1% in the local authority areas and the number being helped adding another 5% it is a fifty fifty lottery this time. A list of communities expected to benefit is expected in April, but as previously just because a community is mentioned it does not automatically mean that everyone in that community will benefit.

The contract a public funding value of £20.5 million and is split with £12m from the local authority, £7.3m from BDUK, £1m from ERDF and an additional £9.2m from BT. With take-up in the area running at a reported 50% (this is higher than the national average) we presume that some of the value of this contract or BT contribution is down to gainshare and effeciency savings from the previous two phases.

The phase two project ended at the end of December 2017, but we are still seeing some activity which is not unusual as there are always a few cabinets held up or FTTP areas that take longer than originally planned.

The really good news is the Openreach and North Yorkshire has got the news that full fibre is the fashion as some 12,500 out of the 14,239 are going to be full fibre (FTTP) based, which explains the fairly high per premise funding of £1430. Openreach via a mixture of new build and the North Yorkshire project already has a 2.8% FTTP presence and when other operators are included this rises to 3.2%.

The final 5% are apparently being considered and additional investment may be made to shrink that number some more by the time this phase three contract ends in 2021.

We have mentioned in the past that new build activity can mess up the percentage target plans, hence why the majority of projects headline with the number of premises delivered, and if the same level of property construction happens in the next three years as did in 2014/15/16 then North Yorkshire is set to grow by around 4,500 premises and unless 95% of those premises are built with superfast access it will mess up any ambition to see a 95% superfast coverage figure in 2021.


@thinkbroadband Strange that they seem to have announced this deal twice now, not entirely sure why they've done th…

  • @ispreview
  • comment via twitter
  • 10 months ago

£12m + £7.3m + £1m + £9.2m = £29.5m.


  • JHo1
  • 10 months ago

Oops lack of coffee moment...have fixed the wording to make it clear the 9.2m from BT is on top of the 20.5

Now will go and finally make that coffee I meant to make 3 hours ago

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 10 months ago

On being announced twice...

From checking the NYCC website, it looks like the first announced the council making the decision to go with BT, while the second announced the signing of contracts.

Last time I checked (over a year ago), the council were only putting in £3m themselves. The rest of the money that is ascribed to them was actually the gainshare due back to them from takeup. I don't remember it being as much as £9m though ... but takeup has risen.

  • WWWombat
  • 10 months ago

"The really good news is the Openreach and North Yorkshire has got the news that full fibre is the fashion as some 12,500 out of the 14,239 are going to be full fibre (FTTP) based"

Surely the much simpler explanations is that, as is well understood, cabinet-based hybrid solutions only make financial sense where there are reasonably sized settlements and where there is access to power. As you get into more sparsely populated areas, then fibre becomes the more appropriate solution. That was, after all, the case in Cornwall, and I suspect rural Yorkshire has similar issues.

  • TheEulerID
  • 10 months ago

Cornwall deployed FTTP in LOTS of areas where FTTC would have made better sense to an accountant even if the spreadsheet included a 30 Mbps superfast rule.

The full fibre is the fashion should perhaps have had a :-) attached. The areas with North Yorks is seeing FTTP go already are those clusters of 6 or 8, or larger but dispersed ones.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • 10 months ago

It is such a shame that, after UK government money was used to put high speed microwave broadband into a Community in N Yorkshire, N Yorkshire CC wasted EU funds to get BT to install a competitor. The original system started in October 2015 generally offering 10 or 20 Mb/s but in the coming week the microwave system will be upgraded to give a competitive range of speeds and prices to wire based systems. Thankyou, Boundless Networks,for staying with West Witton when EU money was used to undermine your customer base. And all those places that could have benefitted from EU funds are still waiting

  • rjohnloader
  • 10 months ago

Wasn't there something strange about West Witton? From both fixed & wireless perspectives?

I vaguely recall
a) that the Airwave system was going to be abandoned. The market trials were temporary, and patently weren't going to lead to extra funding. Boundless was relatively late to the rescue
b) that BT's upgrade wasn't quite part of the BDUK scheme as normal. That the funds were from something slightly odd

I have to say I was surprised that this new contract didn't end up going wireless.

  • WWWombat
  • 10 months ago

WWWombat - there should be c£4.xm from the £130m clawback released. If BT capex contribution of £10.5m was not needed to complete phase 1 / 2, this may also be finding its way back in. NYCC have been quite good at publishing reports so we learn from that.

If the energy is there to keep going, then it will get better and better.

The inability to re-cyle now the remaining £397m Capital Deferral ought to receive more attention.

  • ValueforMoney
  • 10 months ago

BT North Yorkshire Selby Newland less than a meg speed numerous visits from engineers (18+) still crap speed rural service from BT is appalling

  • BTBloodyTerrible
  • 10 months ago

Remember NY was an original pilot. I was told, long ago, that BT priced phase 1 as something of a loss leader, and had easily spent all their contribution. I don't expect to see any unused funds coming forward. Phase 2 might be different.

As the contract wasn't a standard BDUK one, we could find different clawback terms too.

  • WWWombat
  • 10 months ago

On West Witton, my current thoughts are that this was one of the cabs that BT had to do at their own cost, as the SFNY-funded ones hadn't quite reached the total number of premises required. Thus it was up to BT to choose which ones they wanted to do.

  • WWWombat
  • 10 months ago

Personally I don't believe the whole concept that some areas are financially nonviable. They are only nonviable in a relatively short amount of time; eventually they would be financially viable. Even if this were not the case, then any business knows that some areas of the business can subsidise other areas.

The providers are just plain greedy.

  • HarryAdney
  • 9 months ago

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