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How would you feel if being 2km from 100 Mbps counted as available?

Finland made access to a 1 Mbps broadband connection a legal right in July 2010, with the ambition of 100 Mbps for everyone by 2015 back in 2009. At the time this generated a lot of how far behind we are in the UK and how lucky those living in Finland are, now roll on a few years and an article on arstechnica looks deeper behind the headlines and PR.

"To date, 86 percent of the 5.35 million Finnish population lives within two kilometers of a 100Mbps connection, and the expectation is that this will grow to 95 percent by 2015. By that definition, it looks like Finland will come very close to meeting its goal. (Finnish households are expected to pay for that final connection to the home, should they want the full 100Mbps fiber service.)"

Extract from arstechnica article on Finnish Universal Broadband

Yes you are reading that right, you only need to be 2km from the fibre link and the resident pays for the up to 2km of connection to connect themselves. Remind anyone of the ambitions that Openreach promote via its Fibre on Demand solution?

A word of warning for those rural communities that decide to roll-out a community based fibre solution (which is popular in Finland), one small town of 2,500 people saw the birth rate drop from 20 children per year to just nine the first year after fibre arrived. The suggestion being that couples are now too busy watching TV?

Comments

I suppose it depends on the terrain, but here in the uk we are digging fibre in at 500 metres a day, or moleplough 1000 metres. so 2-4 days work and you have a fit for purpose connection. 9p a metre for duct, about the same for the fibre... if the connection is available and it adds value to your property I guess its worth doing? specially if you share your dig with neighbours. Will work out cheaper than babies. Maybe that's why china is so busy deploying fibre?

  • cyberdoyle
  • over 4 years ago

They were too knackered after all that digging!

  • hugop
  • over 4 years ago

This has got to have Ian Duncan Smith chomping at the bit to get FTTC rolled out ASAP, no need to limit CB.

  • NilSatisOptimum
  • over 4 years ago

I take that to mean you have to pay a telco for the connection. Not many people in the UK would be able to put their own connection through the town or village.

  • Somerset
  • over 4 years ago

9 pence for duct and fibre!!! Who's your suppliers so I can pass the details on :)

  • eviemai2011
  • over 4 years ago

Or they couldn't afford having a child after paying for it!

  • benbird7
  • over 4 years ago

A fascinating definition of availability! At least with FTTC and fibre on demand, most of us (90%) will be no more than 1km from a cabinet, many much closer than that. So compared to Finland, we will be doing rather well.

Another great myth buster from TBB!

  • New_Londoner
  • over 4 years ago

eviemai we buy from Emtelle.

  • cyberdoyle
  • over 4 years ago

Some interesting numbers from that town's fibre website:

1800 euro to install that "last 2km"

Then per month:
25 euro maintenance charge (line rental for the physical fibre connection)
+ ISP/content charge. Variable, but of the order of:
22 euro for 100M internet
10 euro for phone
12 euro for TV

  • WWWombat
  • over 4 years ago

^ The install cost is still less than here then, 2km leased line would set you back tens of thousands.

  • otester
  • over 4 years ago

Pricing doesn't seem that bad to me, 1800 being roughly 1444 in pounds then it is not far off the rumoured BT pricing. Depends what limits and allowances they have on the broadband though.

  • fibrebunny
  • over 4 years ago

I wouldn't care less. Living in the UK not Finland what they do and don't do doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Next question. :)

  • Dixinormous
  • over 4 years ago

is their 100mbit proper 100mbit up/down little congestion no traffic management etc. or is it like VMs hashed up variant.

  • chrysalis
  • over 4 years ago

If it was little congestion and no traffic management then would be at top of the Akamai results and with bandwidth that cheap every data centre in Europe would be located there

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 4 years ago

lol @ 9p per meter for duct - try £60+vat.

  • Spectre_01
  • over 4 years ago

@andrew

Even if what you said was true, they aren't the only European country with decent internet connections.

  • otester
  • over 4 years ago

@otester: Your cost is questionable. We are having fibre blown to our site at work and it's look like being £3k for just under 2km with a discount of £1k because it's fresh fibre to a brown field site. BT are only charging us for the distance of cab to park.

  • AndrueC
  • over 4 years ago

^ I was referring to a leased line quote from an exchange with no FTTC.

  • otester
  • over 4 years ago

So if a leased line quote, get one of comparable distance in Finland to compare like for like.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 4 years ago

At Last! A way of preventing overpopulation!
But saying fast broadband is available at 2 km distance is not really provision at all in the real world. Users would not consider it provision as they expect, rightly IMHO, to have the service available right outside their door.

  • michaels_perry
  • over 4 years ago

Interesting to see the reactions, as the Digital Pump/Hub plan from the original Digital Britain report (2009) and also House of Lords (2012) favour a similar approach to Finland.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 4 years ago

The digital parish pump idea is not that individuals dig to it, but it would enable companies or community groups to build a new network onto the back of it. It isn't really similar to Finland is it? The digital parish pump could also support wifi networks. Or whatever the community wanted that was suitable for their needs. The pump was getting affordable connectivity to new businesses. Altnets.

  • cyberdoyle
  • over 4 years ago

So are these altnets providing the links to the digital hubs for free? I think not, in which case where I said people pay for the link to the connection, translates nicely to the digital hub concept.

Perhaps that should be a survey, how many people would actually work on a dig to get fibre to their property.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 4 years ago

So what is a DPP? Who funds the connection and rental of what to where?

'Support wifi networks'. How?

Many properties have roads and pavements outside which makes digging a little difficult for the residents.

  • Somerset
  • over 4 years ago

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