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Openreach announces next phase of superfast broadband roll-out

The £2.5bn investment programme by Openreach continues, with another 163 exchange areas announced as getting FTTC and FTTP services. This latest announcement comprises of phase 10bpf of the roll-out that once complete should see superfast wholesale services available to two thirds of UK households. While the roll-out is predominantly FTTC based, there are some areas that will get a native FTTP service too.

Openreach has updated its superfast portal, including its checker, which still only gives exchange based information, we still hold out a small glimmer of hope that Openreach will start to provide cabinet/postcode level information so that people can be more certain of when either full or partial fibre is coming to their street.

Update midday: The list of 163 new exchange areas is available on our forums, for those wanting to check to see if their area may receive the service in the next year or so.

The roll-out of FTTP based services has to date been slow, mainly we presume due to the extra work involved in rolling the fibre out to with a few metres of every property in the areas where it is planned. These native FTTP areas are no more expensive to get service with than the FTTC areas, as Openreach does offer slower cheaper products that align with the FTTC services, whether the retail providers offer this is down to them. The areas due to get full fibre (FTTP) are listed below, we should point out that while the list is exchange areas, only part of the exchange area usually gets FTTP.

  • Areas offering FTTP now: ADWICK LE STREET, ASHFORD MIDDLESEX, BASCHURCH, BLACKFRIARS, BLEWBURY, BODMIN, BRIDGWATER, BRIGHOUSE, BUDE, BURLEY-IN-WHARFEDALE, CALDICOT, CALLINGTON, CAMBORNE, CAPEL, CAXTON, CHELTENHAM, CHESTER SOUTH, COADS GREEN, COCKWELLS, CRANTOCK, DERBY, DINNINGTON, DONCASTER, DONCASTER NORTH, EASTBOURNE, EASTON, EXETER, FALMOUTH, FOREST HILL, FOWEY, FRADDON, GERMOE, GRAMPOUND ROAD, GUNNISLAKE, HAMPTON, HAREHILLS, HASTINGS, HAYLE, HELSTON, HIGHER BOLTON, HOOTON, HORSFORTH, ILFORD CENTRAL, INNERLEITHEN, LAUNCESTON, LEEK, LEYTONSTONE, LINCOLN, LINDFIELD, LISKEARD, LOOE, MADINGLEY, MARTON WARWICKSHIRE, MELROSEGATE, MEVAGISSEY, MILLBROOK, MORECAMBE, MULLION, NANPEAN, NEWCASTLE WEST, NEWQUAY, PENRYN, PENZANCE, PORTHTOWAN, REDRUTH, ROCHE, ROSSINGTON, SEFTON PARK, SHREWSBURY, SKIPTON, SOUTHBOURNE, ST AUSTELL, ST IVES, ST JUST, ST.COLUMB MAJOR, STITHIANS, TAUNTON, THORNTON HEATH, TILE HILL, TORPOINT, TRURO, WATERLOO, WELLINGTON, WEMBLEY, WHITCHURCH HAMPSHIRE, WINTON, WORKSOP, YORK, BRADWELL ABBEY, BRIDLINGTON, BROUGHTON-GREATER MANCHESTER, CHILDWALL, COWLEY, CRESSINGTON PARK, EDGBASTON, ERDINGTON, GREENHILL, HIGHAMS PARK, INTAKE, STONEYCROFT, WOODLEY-GREATER MANCHESTER
  • Areas offering FTTP soon:ARMTHORPE, BOURNEMOUTH, BRIGHTON KEMPTOWN, CAMELFORD, FOLKESTONE, HOLBORN, LANREATH, MALTBY, MANACCAN, MAWNAN SMITH, MITCHELL, MOUNTWOOD, MOUSEHOLE, NORWICH, OTTERHAM, PADSTOW, PERRANPORTH, PRAZE, PRUDHOE, SENNEN, ST BURYAN, ST TUDY, ST.MERRYN, THE LIZARD, TREBETHERICK, TREGONY, WADEBRIDGE, WEEK ST MARY, WESTBOURNE, WESTHOUGHTON, WOODSEATS, CONSTANTINE, PIPERS POOL, PORT ISAAC, RUMFORD, ST KEVERNE, ST MAWES, THORNE, VERYAN, WIDEGATES, Roath, WHITEHALL, MORWENSTOW, PORTSCATHO, ZELAH
  • Areas where FTTP will be rolled out: BURGHFIELD COMMON, CHURSTON, DENTON BURN, DROYLSDEN, EDINBURGH MAYBURY, GLASGOW CRANHILL, GLASGOW SHETTLESTON, GLASGOW THORNLY PARK, HIGHWORTH, LIVERPOOL CENTRAL, NORTH BENFLEET, OAKHAM, PILL, WESTGATE, WOBURN SANDS, GERRARD STREET
Areas in italics are those where just FTTP is planned/available. Other areas will see a mixture of FTTC/P

We have listed the FTTP areas, as while FTTP is going to form just 10 percentage points of the commercial roll-out, it is important in showing that Openreach does recognise that full fibre is the future. Once the fibre on demand product launches in 2013, then those in the FTTC areas will get the option to order a full fibre fibre, though their installation fees will be a lot higher than the native FTTP areas.

Update 1st October 2012: After someone raised issue, we chased status of Doncaster and Doncaster North and rather than being pure FTTP roll-out, the two exchange areas are actually a mixture of FTTC and FTTP products.

Comments

Sunderland went live today but looks like the order page hasn't updated yet or my cab hasn't been activated yet.

  • browney
  • over 5 years ago

And the 163 exchange areas are?

  • BB4FABS
  • over 5 years ago

They are still waiting for BT to pull the names out of a hat.

  • rayvon
  • over 5 years ago

So some people will get FTTP for free and others, perhaps those where FTTC will provide little benefit due to line loss/length, will face massive installation costs. I do wonder whether this is reasonable.

  • Michael_Chare
  • over 5 years ago

new exchnages are included on openreach.co.uk in future exchanges

  • fastman
  • over 5 years ago

And yet again no mention of those exchanges delayed for a further 3 months.

It's all well and good announcing exchanges, but how can we see the statistics for which exchanges have actually been delivered?

  • krol
  • over 5 years ago

Added link to the list of 163 new exchange areas now.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

BT are crafty they just update the list and dont tell anyone.

The way to momitor what is actually going on is to tajke a copy of the spreadsheets on the openreach web site and date them. You can then use the twitter feed to monitor them or just compare the latest spredsheets on the web site against the dated copies you take

  • Bob_s2
  • over 5 years ago

The problem is having that historical data. As unless you started taking this originally you don't have anything to work on (and couldn't show a realistic view).

  • krol
  • over 5 years ago

Bleddy hell why isn't Tavistock in the rollout? Oh hold on, it is. FTTC in 2013, according to http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/

(Thought I'd mention that because I saw someone moaning a lot about Tavistock last few times I was on this site!)

I guess the other 162 are listed in there too, hopefully all reasonable sized towns are included now.

  • nickeloi
  • over 5 years ago

You cannot go back in history but if you take a copy of todays spreadsheets you can see actual progress from that date. It makes sorry reading though as not much happens

  • Bob_s2
  • over 5 years ago

Fife Exchange update, showing current and planned, with premises breakdown:

http://www.camieabz.co.uk/fife-ex.jpg

  • camieabz
  • over 5 years ago

I should mention that the future looks quite rosey if exchanges with sub-3000 residential premises and sub-100 commercial premises are being earmarked.

  • camieabz
  • over 5 years ago

not that I'm cynical but even though my exchange is finally on the list I won't be releasing my held breath until it's available on my cab..:)

  • Borisvon
  • over 5 years ago

"Areas in italics are those where just FTTP is planned/available"

Doncaster and Doncaster North are showing as FTTP only, but they are FTTC.

  • wb99999
  • over 5 years ago

@wb99999

Well its not my mistake, just double checked the Openreach data. Will chase them. Partly one reason for publishing list like this, so people can raise questions.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

Why do they make it avalible in the worse places in glasgow half of them in glasgow excganges have VM or on benifits so god knows who expressed intrest

  • tthom
  • over 5 years ago

because even with the VM presence the trials showed that the biggest uptake of Openreach NGA products were still in these areas and therefore offer a good ROI. The cable companies chose these areas for a reason.

  • Spectre_01
  • over 5 years ago

@tthom the commercial roll-out is not based on any demand led scheme, but where the Openreach accountants believe they can make a ROI.

With Virgin in almost 48% of the UK overlaps are inevitable.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

suppose guess im just bitter that my exchange never got selected haha

  • tthom
  • over 5 years ago

@andrew Yeah, I noticed that on Openreach's site before I posted. I didn't mean to imply it was your mistake.

  • wb99999
  • over 5 years ago

On Sept 1st OR issued a press release relating to Wales with the title - "Wales to get economic boost from huge fibre broadband project" yet only one further Welsh exchange is listed amongst the 163 announced today! Buff and bluster in the highest degree!

  • dazzle39
  • over 5 years ago

What about apartment blocks? My exchange has been enabled for years but they don't seem to be able to upgrade our cabinet for some reason :(

  • doowles
  • over 5 years ago

I just wish they would finish the roll out to the places already started before moving onto others. WALLASEY was supposed to be done in March but was pushed back to July. However I still can't get BT FTTC and they can't tell me why. It should be fully rolled out in my area now and I'm more than willing to become a BT broadband customer, yet they won't let me.

Every time I speak to them they just say they don't know and can't give me any details. It's pretty annoying especially when I've been looking forward to getting broadband that's a decent speed.

  • andywhy
  • over 5 years ago

@dazzle39 - non of the non-commercial projects have had any deployment announced. You can be sure the regions/councils will shout loudly when that happens.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

Makes for great headlines when they keep announcing all these new areas that will be upgraded but without the cabinet level information on what will and wont be upgraded it just provides lots of people with false hope.

It's a bit daft in this day and age that the best way of knowing whether or not you will be able to get FTTC/FTTP when your exchange is converted is when they actually come to dig a hole for the new cabinet....... Openreach obviously have all the information on what cabinets will and wont be upgraded when an exchange is converted so this information should be made public ASAP.

  • Dilbert
  • over 5 years ago

@Dilbert
not sure you could publish anything at cabinet level in advance with any certaintly. With the current planning regulations you'd see some blocked when applications are submitted to the council, and would probably find some sites impossible due to buried cables etc not shown on maps.

So any list down to cabinet level would at best be aspirational before some form of local survey, any necesary planning application etc.

  • New_Londoner
  • over 5 years ago

Dazzle the announcement re wales will be investmen in non commercial exchnage wqhich require invervention funding -- the announcement today is around exchanges that ar part of Openreach Commercial deployment only

  • fastman
  • over 5 years ago

Yep just one more Welsh Exchange announced and with BT saying this is the Bulk of their non BDUK upgrades, thing look very bleak indeed.

  • welshwarrior
  • over 5 years ago

BT's Mike Galvin said:


We have now announced the bulk of the exchanges we will be deploying fibre to under our own steam but we are keen to go even further with the help of BDUK [Broadband Delivery UK] funding. We will continue to engage with local government and communities to try and give as many people as possible access to the benefits of fibre broadband.

This taken from:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/bt_163_exchanges_flagged_for_fibre_upgrades/

  • welshwarrior
  • over 5 years ago

I was expecting two more announcements and one was at end of Sept. So this is one of them.

We covered estimates of 1450 exchanges under commercial roll-out, covering some 30,000 cabinets earlier in the year.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

Bunted back another three months, as usual. Two years of that now.

At least there are cabinets going up finally around here, although they've missed mine bang in the centre :-)

  • arfster
  • over 5 years ago

@New_Londoner

That's the whole point, the status of all these cabinets whether it's stuck in the planning process, scheduled to be installed, not planned at all etc is known within Openreach and should be made available to the public.

163 New exchanges announced today but no one in those areas can be sure they will be able to get FTTC until Openreach digs a hole near their cabinet, bit silly tbh.

  • Dilbert
  • over 5 years ago

@dilbert Actually even if cabinet installed if someone lodges a successful objection it might be removed. So even installation not 100% certainty

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

@welshwarrior I agree! There are just under 60 exchanges in Wales either providing or scheduled to provide FTTC/P - around 13% of the total number. Wales is a rural country with many small communities and I would expect BDUK funding to help out here. But there are also plenty of larger towns which are excluded from OR's commercial roll-out plans (as there are in other parts of the UK too). Will these be missed altogether - or is OR going to claim it needs BDUK funding for these too - possibly at the expense of other, smaller exchanges? The rat is beginning to smell pretty rotten indeed!

  • dazzle39
  • over 5 years ago

@Andrew

Yup I appreciate that in some cases (I would imagine a smallish %) things may change but if the whole process was more transparent I think at least people would be able to see what was planned for them rather than waiting to see if a hole gets dug in the ground.

FTTC for some poor peeps must be like looking forward to Christmas when their exchange finally gets announced but then finding Christmas morning that Santa has forgot to visit their house.

  • Dilbert
  • over 5 years ago

Looks like my Exchange isn't getting fibre until at least 2014 and even at that I doubt it will be then. Does BDUK have a focus on certain places with low speeds or just random. I struggle to get 200kb here.

  • gregg465
  • over 5 years ago

@andrew so you think the other announcement will be more exchanges or other news

  • tthom
  • over 5 years ago

Can't see any exchanges in Norfolk on that list. BDUK funded projects classes differently or will they be started in the next phase ?

  • Stealth549
  • over 5 years ago

@stealth549

The BDUK exchange announcements will be clased differently. The contract has only just been signed, and before proper work starts approval has to be given by the EU. This may seem any announcements and work delayed until next summer.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

All well and good announcing exchanges, but Melrosegate has been enabled for a while and all the cabinets in my area have been ignored apparently (nothing on the checkers for FTTC or FTTP) - if they can't make money off city cabinets the rurals have no chance :(

  • phil_cooke
  • over 5 years ago

It'd make very sorry viewing, the number of exchanges announced but repeatedly pushed back. I'm on one such exchange which has had another 3 month push-back :(

  • KarlAustin
  • over 5 years ago

The most logical and cost effective means of getting HS broadband to very rural areas has to be FTTC and WiFi Netork. That works particularly well in the flat Eastern councties region

  • Bob_s2
  • over 5 years ago

Any ideas what is the exchange with the lowest amount of premises to be upgraded to FTTC so far?

  • Eljmayes
  • over 5 years ago

@dazzle39 - The link was update on the Welsh progress, There is a detailed map being drawn up to be released this Autumn! http://wales.gov.uk/topics/businessandeconomy/broadbandandict/broadband/ngbw/?lang=en

  • NilSatisOptimum
  • over 5 years ago

Pardon me for not getting exited about posts like these... Andrew, can you please push for an update on the no cab exchanges?

Vic

  • vicdupreez
  • over 5 years ago

What do you mean by no cab exchanges? An exchange that has no cabinets connected to it all, or the small percent of lines that most exchanges have that are exchange only.

EO lines are done on a commercial basis currently, so extra cost means unikely to get done, but where BT wins BDUK contract very likely to see improvements based around what we've covered in news previously

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

I mean the exchanges with no cabinets at all. We have been waiting for an announcement from BT on the exchanges that does not have any cabinets. In my own talks with BT, they confirmed that they are working on something. That was at least 3 months ago.

Vic

  • vicdupreez
  • over 5 years ago

Exchnage with no cabs will proably be tiny exchnages normally lesst tand around 500 premsies and would expect these exchanges to be Market Failure and therefore an area of intervention

  • fastman
  • over 5 years ago

fastman. I am willing to dig a 2km trench, bury 2km of fiber, and connect to the exchange in our village. All BT has to do is provide me with somewhere to connect it to... RIGHT AT their exchange. I know everyone whose property I will have to go over, so way leaves is no issue. I am even willing to share this fibre with my neighbours to allow them to have the same fast connection.

  • vicdupreez
  • over 5 years ago

All I am asking from BT is give us a cabinet where we can connect that fibre to... 1 cab. There is 319 lines connected to our exchange. Not sure how any place can be declared a "market failure" when there was no survey done to see how many would buy. Anyway, I am giving up on BT, and will be cancelling my landline in the next month or so...

  • vicdupreez
  • over 5 years ago

vidcupreez you shoud be speaking to your Local Authority to see how you will be affected by BDUK you area shoud be covered under Marke Failure (not commercially viable for Fibre) and should have been identified as that as part of the Open Market Review process that each local autohitry needs to undertake to determine which areas are not covered commercially so the Local Authority can priortise how and where it will spend its BDUK money (its Requirement document will be the output of those priorities

  • fastman
  • over 5 years ago

Also look at the RCBF scheme that can provide funding for precisely this sort of thing. Also other firms like Geo can provide you a fibre link to the wider world.

  • andrew
  • thinkbroadband staff
  • over 5 years ago

My exchange is on the list of ones not given a date but planned to get FTTC. While I doubt I would be able to afford the expensive upgrade cost for FTTP FTTC areas have if you want FTTP at least it should mean I can get over 2MBs and actually be able to do basic web browsing on enough computers at once. Our local cabinet may be badly placed so not as close to our home as you'd expect as I have never seen it but its got to be closer than our exchange.

  • AspieMum
  • over 5 years ago

I would like to see added to the website a cabinet locator where you can use your postcode or phone number to find out where your cabinet is. I have never seen one near us.

  • AspieMum
  • over 5 years ago

It was all geared up to happen on the 30/06/2012 when all of a sudden the delivery date was changed to 30/09/2012 for BT to deliver FTTC to Pontypridd - South Wales. I was talking to BT sales discussing what is involved in the switch over from my current ISP to BT to take advantage of the new speeds. I was assured that it is all going ahead and to ring back on the 1st of Oct to start the order.

  • mmkbroadband
  • over 5 years ago

Last Thursday I checked the BT broadband site for news of progress on the FTTC delivery to Pontypridd. I could not believe it but they had moved it to 31/12/2012. When I complained BT blamed it on planning permissions and that the job is taking longer than expected. So what are your bets on BT delivering FTTC to Pontypridd on New Years eve !!!

  • mmkbroadband
  • over 5 years ago

Openreach says that they're accepting orders for my local exchange (Hooton), but no one (including BT Infinity) appear to be offering FTTC or FTTP for my area!

  • FatLes12
  • over 5 years ago

I wonder how they decide which local exchanges to include? I am in a small-ish village called Halton, 2 miles outside Lancaster, which is not included, and yet Garstang, another small-ish village further away from Lancaster is included.
It's such a shame that broadband has become, like lots of other things including access to health care, a postal lottery.

  • jayarte
  • over 5 years ago

suggest www.samknows mught give a view Halton (1100 premises) Market 1 - Garstang (5000 Premies Market 2) - for Halton suggest speak to Lancashire to see if included in Recent Lancashire Broadband agreement with BT

  • fastman
  • over 5 years ago

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