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BT announces some detail for extra fibre based broadband coverage in London
Friday 11 September 2015 14:23:39 by Andrew Ferguson

BT and Openreach have announced some details on the scale of new fibre based broadband roll-outs in various London Boroughs, and this will involve a mixture of more traditional VDSL2 from cabinets in the street, smaller FTTrN (Fibre to the remote Node) deployments and some fibre to the basement with xDSL used to transport the connection around a building over the existing copper phone network. The extra coverage is set to be delivered over the next two years.

  • Bexley the new roll-out will add another 19,106 premises to the existing fibre based coverage in the borough.
  • Barking and Dagenham will gain another 2,187 premises covered.
  • Croydon another 9,368 premises.
  • Kensington and Chelsea another 20,213 premises
  • Greenwich 10,290 premises
  • Barnet 7,779 premises
  • Tech City area an extra 32,000 premises

This extra coverage is part of the £50 million extra investment in superfast broadband previously promised and when combined with the Project Lightning expansion by Virgin Media is likely to mean that coverage at speeds of 24 Mbps and faster will exceed 95% across the capital, as of 10th September our own data shows the is 92.7% at 24 Mbps or faster (92.3% at 30 Mbps or faster), though this can be a bit patchy hence all the complaints around Tech City where the large White Collar Factory office block is still under construction.

Extra coverage of the GEA products from Openreach will be welcomed by those living in the area and should hopefully see some of the Exchange Only lines that still only have ADSL2+ as the fastest option getting extra speed options. For the business sector how much use the FTTC based products will be depends on what your core business is, so that edit suite specialising in cutting together 4K footage is still going to want a symmetric Gigabit leased line service with its attendant pricing from BT or one of its many London competitors, but smaller shops and offices with a handful of stuff where watching football or Wimbledon from their desk is the big usage spike for the year will find the up to 80/20 product range from FTTC perfectly fine.

Tech City commands a great deal of press coverage and it is a conundrum since there has been nothing stopping office blocks from installing leased lines and sub leasing them to offices as an added extra or including a basic level of service in the office rent. Visiting the area it is a real mixture of the hipster/unicorn cafe culture and the ball and chain office of yesterday, in terms of public Wi-Fi the absolute fastest option is the London Tube Wi-Fi which is happy providing speeds of 42 Mbps down and 65 Mbps up, much less impressive is the BT Wi-Fi in one of the numerous coffee shops, which has all the hallmarks of being an ADSL2+ line and with plenty of people using it.

Slow BT Wi-Fi in Tech City area

Of course fixed line broadband is not the only option, and 4G does provide an option though Vodafone 4G speeds around the Old Street roundabout do seem to be less than stellar at 10 Mbps down and 4.8 Mbps up, EE 4G seems to fare a lot better at 29 Mbps down and 8.5 Mbps up.

To give people an idea of the scale of the roll-outs already underway, this extra coverage in London represents around two weeks of the coverage currently being delivered under the BDUK programme and may go some way to reducing the complaints from Londoners who feel that they are still stuck with Internet from 2006.

Comments

Posted by adslmax about 1 year ago
Surprise me, no metion of G.fast by BT / Openreach?
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
that's not available yet that's why --
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
its being trialled only at present
Posted by cyberdoyle about 1 year ago
What a superfarce. You can understand the rural areas not being economic to provide even decent dial up to, but to let our capital city fall into this mess is unforgivable. Where is the regulator making sure the monopoly looks after the infrastructure? Someone else should be allowed to take it over and do it right if openreach can't. If it is economical to connect 10 customers per km over the top of a mountain then surely running fibre to a city block is a piece of cake when you already have the ducts and wayleaves?
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
Given that this will take two years to put in place fully, then I'd expect some of it might well end up being g.fast, but it's a bit premature to announce it until the trials are complete. Maybe in a year so. Certainly fibre-to-the-basement is a very good candidate for g.fast due to the short copper runs.
I assume manufacturers are already launching "g.fast capable" nodes already which will be capable of running the relevant linecards. But time will tell.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
@cyberdoyle

Other operators have all the powers they need to rollout fibre (and in some cases are doing so). They can even use BT ducts where appropriate via PIA.

As for Ofcom forcing this, what powers do you think they have? They are a market regulator. They can provide incentives for operators through certain aspects of regulation, but they can't dictate how to spend private investor's money. They cannot make arbitrary decision as they are subject to the law and judicial review.
Posted by PaulKirby about 1 year ago
@cyberdoyle
I live in Newham and most of our area are part of the 66% Commercial Project and was due to be completed back in 2011 we have all the FTTP hardware in our chambers and up our poles all work has completed and still un able to order fibre.

The main reason why all the Commercial only Projects in the capital city has still so many holes without fibre, this is due to all the BDUK work that take priority over all the rest, I know its not fair, but that's what is happening.
Posted by PaulKirby about 1 year ago
@cyberdoyle
I have also been told by BT and by BTOR that we are still commercially viable and are still part of the FTTP Commercial Project and that FTTP takes longer than FTTC, I think that's a load of rubbish, it does not take almost 4 years to lay 3.5km of fibre, its not a planning issue due to they installed another length of 3.5km fibre for the top end of our road and half our side roads and was due to be done at the same time back in 2011.
Posted by PaulKirby about 1 year ago
@cyberdoyle
I have been reassured many times via emails from BTOR that it will get done and each scheduled date gets pushed back a month each month.

So at the end of the day, its just a waiting game and just hope not to end up as the last 2% due to BDUK work taking priority.

*** Phew ***
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
Unfortunately that's reality. BDUK is a highly visible project, highly contentious with a contractual obligation to deliver (not to mention the political fall-out). Openreach (and I suspect he contractors) are resource limited. In fact it has been explicitly stated that is why FoD has been suspended - OR couldn't fulfill orders. So when it comes to PAC jumping up and down about BDUK and commercial roll-out, you already know what gives.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
Of course the "easy" answer is recruit more people, but that takes time and they will be wary of increasing long term costs without a new revenue stream and OR's prospects for that are very limited.

It's worth looking at Jersey's fibre roll-out which has been heavily impacted by resourcing issues, and they employ contractors from outside the island.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
It would be interesting to find out how out how many hours of labour are involved in the B4RN roll-out per km of ducting with fibre this would allow other operators to judge how much it would cost to do the same. Though it is highly likely commercial operators will have great difficulty getting free bayleaves for those areas where new infrastructure is needed.
Posted by jahman about 1 year ago
I live in Wapping, yards from The City and still have ADSL2+ giving me a whopping 16Mbps. BT's plans allegedly had my building receiving FTTP several years ago but there's been no progress since. I have an exchange only line.

Complaining to the Chief Exec of BT got me nowhere. Absolutely no information on future plans whatsoever.

I've heard of G-Fast and my building of 24 flats has a basement where we have the space for the kit I expect.

I wonder if anyone here has any ideas of the plans in my area? Must be hundreds of flats and houses here stuck on ADSL.
Posted by GMAN99 about 1 year ago
cyberdoyle

If its so easy JFDI yourself?
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
@andrew

The B4RN business case specifically makes the point that commercial telecoms companies are faced with paying for labour and wayleaves (and consequently favour following roads along with associated streetworks). If you were making the case that rural fibre roll-out by commercial operators was not viable, the B4RN business case makes it for you. See sect 3 for instance.

http://b4rn.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/B4RN-Business-Plan-v5-2.pdf
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
Aware of what the business plan says, just would be a useful input to the UK broadband picture if they were able profile the hours of labour involved.

A chance to see if commercial firms are inefficient.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
@andrew

I just find it strange that the very vocal cyberdoyle doesn't actually seem to have taken on board what their business case says.

Incidentally, for the record, I think the B4RN business case exaggerates the costs to commercial operators in rural areas (at least on average), but I don't think it changes the principles.

When all is said and done, the costs of BB infrastructure roll-out is dominated by labour costs. Get rid of that and costs are more than halved.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
my real concern is what happens in the long term 5, years . 10 years
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@TheEulerID

I would recommend rather than reading and taking to heart her posts playing Cyberdoyle Buzzword Bingo.

May I recommend starting your card with the following:

superfarce
fibre. Moral and optic.
telco lobby
copper cabal
snake oil salesman

Obviously add others as you see fit.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@fastman

Mine too. FTTC already struggling at times. Let's hope there's a robust plan in place for extending the lifetime of these assets.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
@fastman

I think the general lesson is that fibre gradually gets deeper into the network. Yes, some of the investment gets written off, but from reports I read, the actual capital spend on the cabinets it relatively modest. Much of the cost is in getting fibre on the "E" side and, from their, the fibre network can push deeper as required.
From a personal perspective, I don't anticipate anything for me which really needs speeds beyond maybe 30mbps. Others mileage will vary.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi TheEuler
I think I quoted that there is plenty of spare fibre at most Cab nodes just waiting to be extended to the home or for GFast just requires the fibres contractors to start using it as the E side fibre work dries up. The overhead fibre is gradually been provided after the new poles (3000) in Surrey have been changed out to take the new fibre cable and fixings.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi TheEuler.
The pole changing out is on Elgin over the last 18 months and some times the overhead and UG. This I feel is why they only fitted 100 pair tie and just the required cards so they could bypass the CABs using the churn rate recover and provide. This method is the most cost effective way.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba do you not think if there was a widespread programme to actually push out FTTP across a LOT more of Surrey which is what you keep suggesting that it would be shouted about a lot more, rather than just one person with privileged access to this secret project?
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba There is not a ton of spare fibre going into cabinets, it's blown on demand.

The installation of line cards as required is quite normal and is standard throughout networking. They cost more than the chassis they live in.

Some poles and chambers are being renewed here as well. It's a business as usual maintenance activity.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
blackmamba not sure where you get that view around more FTTP in surrey !!!!
Posted by comnut about 1 year ago
there is a lot of talk, but I dont see much action, never mind 'getting a clue' :) :)
lots of 'snake oil' on google, did not even find this list!! :O
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/isp_list/ISP_List_Superfast_Broadband.php?orderBy=sfbb_cheap_up_speed+DESC

At least there is a map...:)
https://hyperoptic.com/map/
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Andrews Staff and Others.
SCC Katie's department has always stated that they would try and push fibre access outwards to all customer in Surrey that is long as the money was available. Target 15 meg down at 99.7% ( 450k lines) thus to achieve this fibre to the home will be reguired at certain CABs nodes. I do know that many nodes have spare fibre just went and asked and looked. No fibre can be cabled on D poles so changed out under MtCE Programe
Posted by tmcr about 1 year ago
Just picking up on "...London Tube Wi-Fi ... providing speeds of 42 Mbps down and 65 Mbps up..." - I thought the WiFi in the tube was a Virgin Media service? So how the heck are they managing that when home users are limited, such as my own 100/6 ?

As for general public (pubs etc) wifi nodes, I find them to be so slow that I switch wifi off.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@tmcr because Virgin Media can provide symmetric business grade fibre services to those that pay.

The consumer DOCSIS network is a very different network and much more asymmetric.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@blackmamba But you are not BT/Openreach staff so (a) how do you get to look into made nodes to count fibres (b) Gain access to specific people within SCC on the project.

Surely all the public should be given the opportunity for these special inspection tours.
Posted by baby_frogmella about 1 year ago
I believe blackmamba is an ex-BT engineer so perhaps has contacts at BT/OR? cough cough cough :)
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Baby.
I thought you already had my ID just type in phil40phil and you will see operation Surrey on the Cab Post Codes plus work locations.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
I'd find it astonishing if the only fibre that had been installed for OpenReach's FTTC/FTTP was just what was required for the immediate needs. The idea that there are no spare fibres for such things as faults and further expansion is surely not right. That doesn't mean that there's a huge surplus but every single fibre is blown on demand? Really? Given the low costs of a few extra strands vs the manpower of installing more?
Posted by Somerset about 1 year ago
48 fibre cable into this village with 2 cabinets.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
There's high fibre count cabling to the aggregation nodes but it's distributed to individual cabinets on demand.

I did specifically say there was no spare fibre going into the cabinets. I have seen the fibre being blown to one.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba Where did you get this 99.7% at 15Mb or higher number from?

Target is 99.7% connected via a fibre-based solution, 94.6% at >=15Mb
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Dix.
From the meeting at Dorking from BT Represenative this backed up the figure in the SCC meetings see minuits. I think aprox 1400 lines under 15 meg. I did ask him three times. We did then check between 60- 70 Cabs on post codes distances from cabs and found we could not get near the above number without using fibre or more small Cabs. Some latter Cabs have the fibre node very close
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
I'm reading some minutes and am still stuck.

http://mycouncil.surreycc.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=8733

'the County Council has set as an objective that 99% of Surrey households will receive fibre based broadband by the end of 2014 and that 94% of households would achieve Superfast Broadband speeds of 15Mbps or more;'

'areas that are currently part of the commercial roll-out of Superfast broadband that are not being served by the commercial operators cannot be included in the Intervention Area'
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba Then from the OMR for phase 2:

http://superfastsurrey.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/22-April-2015_Surrey-County-Council-OMR-Letter.pdf

93.9% of premises connected to the fibre network as part of the Superfast Surrey project to be able to access minimum download speeds of 15Mbps or above.

Target 93.9% of Intervention Area, 94% for county.

Intervention Area 84,000 premises, over 75,000 with >= 15Mb at last report, doesn't need 3,000 poles to get to 93.9%.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Dix.
Any exchange in Surrey with less than 3000 lines checked the Cabs location and allercated a customer number to it giving me a Referance to the service on that Cab this is how I picked up the fibre on demand plus fibre to the home very quickly.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
The original BM post was about tons of spare fibre the the Cab nodes. By that, I suspect he means the local distribution point. I don't think anybpdy is suggesting that lots of spare fibre goes to the cabinet itself as that would surely be pointless. It would not be where any FTTP, FttRN, secondary FTTP cabinet would be connected too.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba That's nothing to do with what you said or what I did though?

I'm not disputing that FoD shows on the checkers in a bunch of areas but that means exactly nothing.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba I believe Think Broadband stats on native FTTP in Surrey give a percentage much higher than most counties but still less than 20,000 premises passed.

Openreach can and have tactically deployed FTTP around edges but I can't see they're going to overbuild their own FTTC en masse.

Spending £200 per premises passed on FTTC then rendering that spend redundant within 24 months by deploying huge amounts of £500 - £2000 per premises passed FTTP seems unlikely.

How many of these new poles are in commercial areas? They cannot overbuild those on the taxpayer tab.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
@TheEulerID The cabinets connecting to a PCP are an FTTC node. Openreach tout it as FTTC but in most places elsewhere it's called FTTN.

The use of the term was unclear.

It should be noted that Surrey is far from unique in having a bunch of fibre available to ANs. This has been the standard build all over the country. I think it's fair to suggest that Openreach have no intention of building tons of FTTP everywhere.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
On the premises passed by native FTTP its around 15,000 premises in Surrey.

Fibre on Demand is much higher, but that is not available to order and never counts as a passed premise.

The 'spare fibre' to the Aggregation node is there for the future expansion be that G.Fast, FTTP, FTTB or FTTrN (VDSL2), plus spare tubing available for anything future wire. As far as am aware standard build across the UK too.
Posted by TheEulerID about 1 year ago
@Dixinormous

No doubt the terminology is ambiguous. As far whether or not OpenReach will ever deploy a lot of FTTP or not, then who knows what might happen in the future. But the point is there is, as Andrew points out, multiple options for putting fibre deeper into the network. As such much of the investment to date is long term and not limited to the life of existing VDSL cabinets.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Broadband Watchers.
I think you may find that fibre on demand is available and it was £18000 in the 01252 area private home fibre cabled to Haslemere 01428 picked up at the local Cab node. His line was under the 2 meg before (money talks).
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@blackmamba When was the order actually placed, as FoD orders have been closed for sometime, and I DO NOT feature FoD in coverage because it does not meet any standard homes passed metrics.
Posted by baby_frogmella about 1 year ago
^^^ in that case why is the BT ADSL checker showing FTTPoD (330/30) as available to properties in ME10 2UN? Using a phone number yields the same results.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Andrews Staff.
I do not know the date the order was placed but my home number shows Availibility for fibre on demand I agree with you it was removed but replaced.
Posted by baby_frogmella about 1 year ago
Hi Black
So have you ordered FTTPoD for your home? How much did you pay for installation & per month charges?
Cheers mate
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Andrews Staff.
I think you make have missed the Openreach where and when PDF file as over 300 exchanges were added the date ?.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Baby
I have not ordered fibre on demand as my service is OK I have spoken to other customer and they have been quoted £17k to the edge of the property.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Baby.
Just rechecked on the above on Headley Down Openreach where and when now showing fibre on demand this has been updated in the last month I think it is done over the weekly line test and updates data. Check your post code and number for the service provided because it changes.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
I've been seeing fibre on demand appear for months on the availability checker that does not mean orders are being taken by providers.

I will ask, but pretty sure I know what the answer is.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Andrews Staff.
If you check Ewhurst web/page david may be able to help because i sent him the list that was on Openreach Where and When he placed a few exchanges on the site.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba Have actually asked BT themselves to avoid the 'gossip' becoming 'fact' cycle.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
This thread appears to have gone from London to Surrey.

The from there the assertion there's an apparently massive programme being implemented to overbuild FTTC with FTTP en masse to reach a target that isn't written anywhere.

Now it's discussing FoD, for which there's no evidence of Openreach pre-emptively upgrading infrastructure. It is on demand after all.

Anyone else lost the thread as comprehensively as I have?
Posted by comnut about 1 year ago
The problem is this section is very limited, and not very 'policed'...

How about going to the blog or forum, where there are proper divisions, and you can post MUCH more than just 600 chrs???

http://blog.thinkbroadband.com/

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/
Posted by comnut about 1 year ago
... and because it is not 'front page' many do seem to be able to find it... :roll eyes:

lots about FTT* here..
http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre.html?view=collapsed

Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Broadband Watchers.
Just trust in the Blackmamber (phil40 Phil) he will try and surport all his critics and customers and be the first to criticise BT/Openreach.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Broadband Watchers
Emails been received from ewhurst so they are starting to put on pressure in Surrey.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
Mamba. Ewhurst as I remember is a commercial area, built in phase 7b. If this is the case they are NOT eligible for state aid, hence they will NOT receive an FTTP-funded overbuild from Surrey County Council, regardless of how much 'pressure' they put on.

I appreciate Ewhurst think every property there should have 'real' point to point FTTP, however they'll have to dip into their own pockets as SCC can't subsidise anyone to provide it, and they probably aren't high on the list for commercial operators.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
I just double checked. Ewhurst ward has 3 FTTC cabinets present, 18, 19 and 20 THCN.

All phase 7b. All actually received FTTC before I did.

Pretty funny reading complaints about the cabinets having a 'measly' 256 line capacity when none of them are sold out.

Clearly massive demand for a hugely expensive (detached houses, big drives, spread out, almost all construction through pavement/carriageway) FTTP deployment.

Shocked no-one's leapt at the chance for this amazing opportunity.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Dix
I think all post codes under 15 meg at Ewhurst on the Cabs 18,19,20 will be considered in the OMR will have money spent on them if there is money in the pot. I think if the post code can surport BT/ Business system working from home the surport will be Nil . EG Band A. I would think many post codes can be back feed from other Cabs.with fibre.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
'I think if the post code can surport BT/ Business system working from home the surport will be Nil . EG Band A.'

Que?

'I would think many post codes can be back feed from other Cabs.with fibre.'

You mean copper network rearrangement to move people to other PCPs?

The OMR may include everything that is currently at under 30Mb under state aid rules.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
Posted by Blackmamba about 23 hours ago
Hi Broadband Watchers.
I think you may find that fibre on demand is available and it was £18000 in the 01252 area private home fibre cabled to Haslemere 01428 picked up at the local Cab node. His line was under the 2 meg before (money talks).

so you then get a number of people together and look at a new FTTc close to your community -- 4 fod could equal 150 FTTC if there well all close for the same outlay or les
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
Ewhurst is FTTC enabled -- serious amount of disinformaion / deliberate misinformation in that community -- !!!!
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
which has not helped the community in any shape or form
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
For the record the availability checker saying FoD available is very different to actually being able to place an order.

FoD orders take a long time to go live so highly likely the person with FoD actually placed the order when ordering where being accepted.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
fod is really the wrong answer to the right question which is how can I get fibre closer to me there is no need to have 160 / 330 for most currently application - if there were a few in same road all trying to FOD better to have a direct conversaition with openreach and see if an FTTP or a new AIO in the community might be a more cost effective option rather than FOD through a service provider --
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Fastman
To me it is not a good marketing ploy to advertise FOD on a Cab area and not be able to get a quote what ever the price. I would also think you may be able to get an estermated office quote Survay if your post code was close to the CAB/ node or some responce.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba The reason FoD is on hold is

a) Focus resources on BDUK roll-outs
b) Each build was taking too long
c) Looking at FoD2 which may reduce roll-out costs and build time

FoD with its three contract was actually illegal to supply for consumers, as Ofcom mandates a two year maximum contract for consumers.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
blackmamba FOD is not currently available to any CP -- its also not the right product if there are more than one person trying do some do something direct with infrastructure provider-- community have been offered tbat 2.5 years ago
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Fastman.
Thanks for your remarks so I have backed tracked the provision fibre on demand and it was in June this year after the overhead poles and underground fibre was fitted so it may have been in the pending file after the large payment. One month after ducked work was cleaned but I did not see the fibre extension to the other DPs/ post codes via the carrage way boxes this I was hoping would cover many customers under 15 meg on BD/UK with fibre to the home.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@blackmamba - Fibre on Demand is built to provide just one DP and fibre drop to one property, you seem to be under the idea that one person pays for FoD and the rest get access to native FTTP. It does NOT work like that, or at least FoD version 1 did not.

Others on the DP that is live would still need to pay a FoD price and take three year contract.
Posted by fastman about 1 year ago
Andrew is correct FOD is for one person there is no benefit to anyone else which is why if there are more engage with openreach Direct see FAQ's
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Baby
Is your number available for fibre on demand or is your service OK ?
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
The constant pounding on FTTC as a solution has had one effect in Ewhurst.

While Mr Wilcox complains about there only being 256 ports available in the cabinets exactly none of them are full even though at least one of them serves 350+ premises.

Strange that. Anyone would think saying that it's pap and only FTTP, point-to-point at that, will do puts people off.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Dix.
In Ewhurst most customers are happy with their service being on ADSL the rest are not interested or are waiting for FTTC/P which may be provided by the OMR funding.
Posted by Dixinormous about 1 year ago
Ewhurst appears to be covered by 3 cabinets all of which are FTTC enabled, none of which are full.

No idea what you're talking about regarding waiting for FTTC/P. I have no doubt the downer put on FTTC in the area will have affected uptake.

Why would any commercial operator waste their money deploying there when Walter Wilcox will complain it's inadequate and tell the community it's no good if it's not point to point FTTP?

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