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BT chosen to help Lancashire to reach a 99% target
Tuesday 07 April 2015 18:22:07 by Andrew Ferguson

Lancashire has signed its phase 2 contract with BT, but all we have to go on so far is some coverage in the local press, which talks of 99% superfast broadband coverage once this phase 2 is complete. As a reminder the phase 1 project which is due to finish by the end of 2015 has a public target of 97% with access to fibre based broadband (the figure getting superfast is unknown).

The new contract is based around the County Council match funding £3.84m from Westminster as part of the national aim to reach 95% superfast coverage in 2017. With the large number of households in Lancashire and what we know of the roll-out so far, we are urging caution over talk of a 99% superfast target. To hit that figure would require a good mixture of fibre to the remote node in the form of G.fast or VDSL2 and an even higher proportion of FTTP than what is in the plans currently (while only 0.1% overall at present, plans indicate more use of FTTP even in phase 1). The lesson from history is that people tend to remember these early claims from initial announcements and then claim the targets have been scaled back once the real figure emerges from the contract in a year or two.

In terms of current coverage which should hopefully see the Lancashire County figure get very close to the 97% fibre based figure by the end of 2015, the summary as of 7th April 2015 follows:

thinkbroadband calculation of current fibre, superfast and new USO broadband coverage in Lancashire - 7th March 2015
Council Area % fibre based % superfast (>30 Mbps) % cable % Openreach FTTP % Under 2 Mbps USC % Under 5 Mbps (new USO) % Under 15 Mbps
Lancashire County (overall) 90.1% 87.3% 36.4% 0.1% 0.6% 0.8% 2.1%
Burnley 91.6% 89.8% 76.7% 0% 0.5% 0.6% 1.4%
Chorley 99.1% 95.4% 54.3% 0% 0.7% 0.9% 2.4%
Fylde 94.1% 91% 22.5% 0% 0.4% 0.7% 2.2%
Hyndburn 98.4% 96.1% 52.8% 0% 1% 1.1% 1.8%
Lancaster 80.5% 78.3% 0% 0% 0.7% 0.7% 1.6%
Pendle 97.7% 94% 52.4% 0% 0.7% 0.8% 2.3%
Preston 95% 94.2% 68.5% 0.1% 0.1% 0.3% 0.9%
Ribble Valley 94.2% 83.2% 1.2% 1% 2.3% 3% 8%
Rossendale 95.4% 91.6% 36.7% 0% 0.6% 0.6% 2.3%
South Ribble 89.8% 88.1% 61.7% 0% 0.1% 0.2% 0.9%
West Lancashire 74.7% 71.4% 1.2% 0% 0.4% 0.6% 2%
Wyre 87.7% 85.2% 1.4% 0% 0.7% 0.8% 1.9%
Analysis is based on actual coverage and is not extrapolated from speed test results.

Comments

Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Broadband Watchers.
Any customer on an Exchange that is 21CN enabled should be able to get above the USC target 7/4/15 and close to the USO.
Posted by ian72 about 1 year ago
@blackmamba, there are still a fair few people on very long lines that won't get the USC and nowhere near the USO. 21CN is no different to 20CN for supporting the USC.
Posted by gerarda about 1 year ago
@blackmamba - you really do not understand how broadband works. You ought to read some of the guides on here.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
Also LOTS of exchanges where its not 21CN enabled but ADSL2+ available from LLU operators.

The physics that mean ADSL2+ at over around 4km only behaves as ADSL2 and might if lucky give a 0.5 Mbps improvement and for those at over 7km probably not that is well known but not to all it seems.
Posted by mitchja about 1 year ago
Still no real answer for many of the EO lines though. There's many here in Pendle (mine included) even though I'm a good distance from the exchange. Even with a new cab outside the exchange (which we now have) many lines are still EO only.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@mitchja Alas until the funding is there for 110% coverage there will always be these sorts of problems.

Why 110%, well to ensure budget is sufficient to cope with the unexpected and ensure that speeds are not just tick boxes but actual user experience.
Posted by ValueforMoney about 1 year ago
@andrew - Given the NAO identified a 38% excess in BT's modelled costs in January in the BDUK Framework prices (Clause 3.7), it would suggest there is more than 110% budget cover.
If current progress points in Lancs is c520 cabinets, then the total cost to date as per NAO would be c£12m of the £62.5m budget for phase 1.
The issue is resource, not money.
Posted by WWWombat about 1 year ago
@VFM
The NAO also identified that the excess will shrink as harder cabs are done.

However, the contract is focussed on coverage, spending, invoicing, and being reimbursed as they go. There is no leeway in the contracts to go the other way ... to keep spending the excess to get extra coverage. That needs additional approval from the councils ... which hasn't happened yet, save Cornwall.
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Posted by WWWombat about 1 year ago
Having said that, remember too that Lancashire, like North Yorkshire next door, is not using the central framework, so is not included in the NAO's analysis of excess costs.

It seems that NY has no excess costs. Will Lancashire?
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Geranda
Broadband works the same way as the old type exchange crossbar send and receive but much faster. As for the many customer who could not get above the 2 meg on CN20 are know on CN21 and are waiting to get access to FTTC or stage 2 in Surrey.
Posted by Somerset about 1 year ago
@BM - would you like to expand on this using your knowledge from 40 years ago.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Somerset
I helped in the first provision of the X bar in the south at HDJ and I have stated it works the same as Broadband ( send and receive) plus that the old line D side concentrator is the same as the new FTTC. From your remarks you could be an ex BT
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Somerset
I was involverd in long lines on exchanges thus cutting down on how many exchanges were required at that time (this has caused the broadband problem)
As I recall it was 800 ohms then extended to 1200 ohms on line circuit calling.
Posted by gerarda about 1 year ago
@blackbamba

Your experience of a few isolated cases in Surrey seems to blind you to the reality of the rest of the world
Posted by WWWombat about 1 year ago
I guess crossbar and broadband can be considered to work the same, providing one overlooks the slight difference between circuit switching and packet switching.

That difference is, of course, only pertinent once you hit the first switching unit, whether that is an exchange, concentrator or DSLAM. Then it is important to know what/how you do the switching.

Before that point, out in the access network, you just have to make a decent metallic path.
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Posted by WWWombat about 1 year ago
The problem, @Blackmamba, is that you are busy equating what you know about the pathway, and missing out so much on the switching.

Crossbar just switched the circuit, and didn't care what was being carried on that circuit. Once switched, the crossbar exchange was out of the equation.

Broadband, DSL, not only cares about what is carried on the circuit, but takes a lot of care to tune it precisely. And to keep re-tuning it. And to keep monitoring the re-tuning. 24x7.

So yes. Almost identical, really.
Posted by ValueforMoney about 1 year ago
@WWWombat - The state aid measure is the same for all projects so the costs should be the same, certainly the components are. The NAO costs were before BT's contribution.
So average costs may rise, but given the planning and the spines get paid early in the project, the opposite arguement was used in Scotland.

Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@vfm I fail to see how state aid rules ensure that costs should be the same on all projects.

State Aid rules are about ensuring money is only spent on infrastructure where market failure exists.

There is the additional issue that SOME projects do have EU money specifically targeting business intervention.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Wombat
I agree to what you have said but when the Rout Control switches via the Line Marker to WF (WB 900) or the Junction Marker to a PCM Junctio this Equiptment is retuning 24/7 thus send and receive .
Posted by ValueforMoney about 1 year ago
@andrew The state aid measure and associated guidelines will list qualifying expenditure. The components used and the contractors used are the same so the underlying unit cost should not vary greatly.

If Business intervention is a FTTC cabinet, then the components and thus costs will be very similar.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Geranda
There were two other place one in South Yorkshire and one in Suffork both been recorded on this forum and are running close to the USO. 4.8 meg.
Posted by Somerset about 1 year ago
@BM - ' this Equiptment is retuning 24/7 thus send and receive .' Please explain the connection with IP, ethernet and broadband.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Somerset
First I have seen you on reports refering to Ewhurst.
When in 1980 on Xbar exchange to a customer on a cable pair with two customer one went via an exchange card one customer was serviced on the metallic line and the other over the wireless band for speech and ringing.
The exchange card is in sink with the unit in the home.
The PCM cards are in sink with the rack unit so send and receive.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Geranda
I hope you have no speed test on your post code because it will take many days to remove min I think 120 days could be more.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba You are spreading lies with your repetition of "I hope you have no speed test on your post code because it will take many days to remove min I think 120 days could be more." and if you do not CEASE the idea that there is some link between a test appearing on our maps and the BT DLM limiting people based on that result then I will ban you, because you are actively encouraging people to NOT run speed tests.
Posted by Somerset about 1 year ago
@BM - It's 'sync', as in synchronisation. Not 'sink' as in kitchen.

You do not understand the detail here.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Andew staff and others.
If you are not interested in my statements or information just delete.
Posted by MCM999 about 1 year ago
@BM Even better don't post since you have shown yourself to have little understanding of broadband. You provide little or no information of interest to others and simply haven't a clue. Give posting a rest and instead read and learn.
Posted by ValueforMoney about 1 year ago
@Blackmamba, your contributions on Surrey roll-out much appreciated.
Posted by Blackmamba about 1 year ago
Hi Value.
I hope in Surrey results will start changing for the better.
Posted by Somerset about 1 year ago
@VfM - which BM comments above are useful?
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