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FTTP on its way and live in Surrey via Openreach
Tuesday 21 October 2014 16:55:28 by Andrew Ferguson

The County Council and BT project in Surrey was spotted by ISPreview delivering some FTTP infrastructure in Hascombe recently, we can report that it is not just Hascombe but other small areas of the county are also getting FTTP and some areas look to be live and offering a service to those who order.

Fibre tubing holding mini-ducts that fibre will be then be blown down
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GEA-FTTP manifold in Surrey, awaiting next phase of network build
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The two pictures above were taken in Felcourt (RH19 2LE) and show the beginnings of a FTTP roll-out, with the fibre tubing waiting on being connected to fibre tubing running in the ducts locally.

Nearby Godstone has a few postcodes with FTTP available to order, with the rest of the village utilising FTTC, though we know of a few postcodes outside the core village where distance will cut back FTTC speeds significantly. Capel is another rural part of Surrey with some FTTP (e.g. RH5 5HL), though this may be through the commercial roll-out.

It will be interesting to watch out for more FTTP arriving from the various projects. Whether the extension projects will be able to fund even more FTTP will depend on a lot on the relative take-up levels and perceived success of using it within the council teams. Unfortunately one complaint we have heard from people is that where Openreach GEA-FTTP is rolled out, the retail provider choice is very limited for the average consumer, since of the big four providers only BT Consumer sell it. This is not a unique complaint to Openreach, we have seen similar complaints for some alt-net deployments and this is the result of the success of LLU and people becoming used to picking and choosing their retailers rather than being limited by the connectivity medium.

Comments

Posted by TheEulerID over 2 years ago
I suspect the issue is most SPs don't consider it worth investing in what's a small market at the moment (especially if there's a big change to make in either IT systems or integration).
It also points out what the problem might have been had BDUK gone for a "patchwork" solution of many different local deployments. Cable industry consolidation in the UK proved very problematical with the variable inheritance from the local franchises.
Posted by cyberdoyle over 2 years ago
Should be 'open access' if it is funded. Also only seems to happen where there is altnet activity, or on a main route road to an exchange. Again, BT cherrypick where to deploy. Is this going to be true FTTP or gfast? And if so, is it the standard £99 +vat variety for 330 Mbps? Does anyone know?
Posted by PaulKirby over 2 years ago
Those picture mean nothing, ours has looked like that since 2011 and a few years later was changed to not viable even though half our road has it.
Posted by TheEulerID over 2 years ago
@cyberdoyle

But the OR service is open access. The problem with dealing with lots of different altnets would have been handling all the different interfaces. The integration problem would have been nightmarish.
The only way a "mesh" of Altnets would work is through vertical integration unless somebody could come up with some form of common management and configuration interfaces.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Broadband Watchers
This exchange has only a few customers so if SCC is paying for this Cab which has been open for service I think over a month it's a very cheap option because the fibre run very close main road to the Cab and is cabled to Godalming linking in Dunsfold ( not top gear)
The services will be open to all ISP,s but at a price.
Posted by sidef over 2 years ago
Alford on the A281 Horsham Rd also has had FTTP to the pole installed in the last few months. These properties now have new poles with fibre manifolds, one property now has a fibre dropwire.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=alford,+surrey&hl=en&ll=51.108831,-0.514825&spn=0.002843,0.007553&sll=47.73855,12.508827&sspn=24.970791,61.875&t=h&hnear=Alfold,+Surrey,+United+Kingdom&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.108831,-0.514825&panoid=GSBQXD73KZAeAdmoviQHVA&cbp=12,349.79,,0,0

Further fibre manifolds are on existing poles east of the BP service station.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Broadband Watchers and Sid.
Yes this exchange was also advertised and customers were told the situation.
It the areas is not as bad as people keep stateing over speeds there is an exchange close to the above just waiting to be open with tails into Surrey
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
@cyberdoyle If this was FTTP on Demand I would have said so, and announced it as spotting someone ordering FTTPoD and also being more circumspect in naming the location, to respect peoples privacy.

G.FAST is still in the labs and not rolling out as a product yet.

So this is the £99 install or free if provider decides to do so, like then do with the £50 or £99 FTTC install fees.

In terms of cherry picking, that can be laid at the door of everyone who builds a network, unless they are building it to every front door in the united kingdom.


Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Broadband watchers.
Just checked Cabs on codes 0142860 and they have fibre on demand plus others on code 0125279 they are cabled back to Haslemere Exchange old group switching area. There are many spare fibres for future growth in this area.
Posted by Dixinormous over 2 years ago
Bit of an indictment on the whole 'NGA' deployment that a bit of taxpayer subsidised FTTP is considered newsworthy to be honest.
Posted by Zarjaz over 2 years ago
Capel has had FTTP in parts for quite some time. I've fitted half a dozen or so down there in the last 9 months or so !
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
Will be interesting to see how things differ in terms of speeds between C and P areas as time goes on.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew Staff
I have a Referance on either post code RH5 6HE and RH5 6HD ISPzz this is showing a high reading for ADSl at that distance from the Cab or exchange this is in the Caple area. I am shore there has been fitted a extra CAB number 9 very close to the location. If the ISP is providing 20/2 the reading would be correct
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
High reading using what?

There is no 20/2 FTTC based product, but there is a 40/2 one which TalkTalk sell.

Looking at the postcode then no reason to suspect that FTTC is not able to get 15-20 Mbps in that location due to distance.

The postcode is served by FTTC but checkers show a lack of capacity message currently.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew.
Thanks Andrew for your reply.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi ZArjaz
The post codes above are in Colharbour do you know the area as you have been installing in the capel area I think the cable is via the old exchange on Cab 5 as I feel the range is to long for 15 meg.
Posted by chrisjam over 2 years ago
One issue with FTTP is that you really notice exchange contention.
Openreach deny it until they have planned maintenance to upgrade backhaul, when they then admit the problem as they can resolve it.
Posted by herdwick over 2 years ago
What is the CIR on 330M FTTP from openreach ?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
40 down and 30 up.
FTTC 80/20 is 30 down.

Providing 1 Gbps uncontended is pretty expensive.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Broadband Watchers
I think a line in Surrey 9793 mtrs from the Exchange will be cabled to the above figures in the next few weeks.
Posted by chrysalis over 2 years ago
the new divide, rural ahead of urban.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi CH. Broadband Watchers.
The urban section on the above was finished over 6 months ago the rural is just the icing on the Cake.
There are three others that are being worked on and they will be the cherry in Surrey.

Posted by meangiant over 2 years ago
Capel exchange is a mix of FTTC and FTTP. Cab 5 Coldharbour was always an issue on line length. So they have put a cab on the D side cable from cab 5 into the village. And they have fitted a Dslam but this is not live yet so any orders are possibly in delay as they would be silly to take an order on cab 5 and then have to change everything over. The FTTP role out is complete in Capel but there are possible areas that will need duct work to be done to fulfilling the order
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Broadband Watchers.
The reports on Elgin shows Road Works to this New Cab 9 for fibre so this service should be available soon. There are report speed on Thinkbroadband maps 15 meg in the village with Talktalk this could have been recorded on the incorrect post code.
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