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Progress report from Devon and Somerset project
Friday 04 July 2014 16:09:48 by Andrew Ferguson

The Connecting Devon and Somerset broadband project is progressing and has announced that properties in a further 25 areas can now access a fibre based broadband service, this means the project has delivered improvements in 56 communities to date. A further 17 areas are planned to go live by October 2014, though with all the usual caveats.

To date the project has delivered 173 cabinets delivering a FTTC service and another 75 are due in the early part of July 2014. Importantly the project has also just delivered its first FTTP connection, to a business in Westpark Business Park (Wellington, Somerset).

Areas for October 2014:
Ashill, Beercrocombe, Catcott, Chilton Polden, Combe Martin, Denbury/Torbryan, Dunkeswell, Edington, Fivehead, Great Torrington, Ilfracombe, Ipplepen, Kingsbridge, Milborne Port, Stokenham, West Down and Woolfardisworthy.

The latest 25 live areas:
Cannington, Chilton Trinity, Nether Stowey, North Petherton, Otterhampton, Pawlett, Puriton, Spaxton, Tedburn St. Mary, Whitestone, Ashford, Barrington, Braunton, Burlescombe, Chudleigh, Dowlish Wake, Heanton Punchardon, Horton, Ilsington, Kingstone, Landkey, Milverton, Mortehoe, North Tawton and Swimbridge.

The CDS website does supply a spreadsheet of the postcodes covered by the cabinets, and this allows a more detailed map to be plotted than they actually supply and this can be seen along with a web based lookup for postcodes in the project area.

Comments

Posted by ahockings over 2 years ago
I'm 5Km from Totnes Cab 9 and desperately need fast broadband for my business. (currently 1.7Mbps).
I'm never going to get it though.
I have customers in Totnes who have access to 80/20 at full speed yet they are staying on ADSL2 because at 17Meg it's enough for them.
I really really badly need a faster connection and I'm never going to get it.
All this CRAP about "other solutions" for the final 5%!!
Here's an Idea. How about FTTH for that 5%??
If the whole country would cost £25 Billion for full FTTH, then the final 5% of the country would only be £1.25 Billion.
Posted by ahockings over 2 years ago
Why waste money on patching it up when it’s all going to be fibred eventually!
This whole thing is being run by idiots who are expert at wasting money.
Posted by ahockings over 2 years ago
In the mean time, my business is going to suffer badly because I can't compete. I mean, 1.7Mbps!!!
I had that speed in 2004!!
Where's the progress??
Posted by WWWombat over 2 years ago
The AM report that came up with £25bn for FTTH gave costs of £8,000 per property in the final 5%, while the other 95% average £2,400 per property. It assumed takeup of only 31% when it calculated the total of £25bn.

With those numbers per property, covering the final 5% costs £4.5bn - still assuming 31% takeup within the final 5%.
Posted by WWWombat over 2 years ago
Why "patch it up"?

Because it can be patched up in a quarter of the time for a fifth of the money.

If BT chose to deploy FTTH without any FTTC, then you'd still be last on the list to be upgraded... and you'd get to keep your 1.7Mbps for 20 years instead.
Posted by Storm_Force over 2 years ago
Andrew is there a live map the can zoomed in on? instead of the jpeg.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
Not at this time
Posted by gerarda over 2 years ago
@wwwombat You have to bear in mind that AM are a lobby for BT, not an independent consultancy, so any figures they produce that do not support BT's agenda have to be questioned.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
A live map link has been added to http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/cds-checker
Posted by Storm_Force over 2 years ago
Thanks for that what is the black EO marker on Hatherleigh represent? Also how is the speed worked out for example EX20JA has est 15mbps but is 50 metres from Cab1?
Posted by MCM999 over 2 years ago
@ahockings Time perhaps to think about putting your hand in your pocket if speed is so important to your business. Either that or perhaps move, or at least move your business, to somewhere better suited to your needs.
Posted by Gadget over 2 years ago
Analysis Mason is an independent consultancy who have worked not just for BT but other operators http://www.analysysmason.com/About-Us/Who-we-work-with/
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
Postcode was actually EX20 3JA I presume.

The marker was black as a postcode was not shown as having a cabinet, manual checks reveal that postcode is on cab 1
Posted by TheEulerID over 2 years ago
"If the whole country would cost £25 Billion for full FTTH, then the final 5% of the country would only be £1.25 Billion."

That's a ridiculous extrapolation. By their very nature the "last 5%" is much more expensive to hookup than average.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi I think the EO connection,are no problem because the customers have service and will be connect at the end of the contract,s when the Exchange is off load to the main centre over fibre thus recovering the E side. Just think what this will do to many ISP,s.
Happy days.
Posted by ahockings over 2 years ago
@TheEulerID - Yes, it was a bit daft now I think about it.
@WWWombat - When I said "patch it up" I didn't mean do the whole UK with FTTH. I meant do what they are dong now (as many cabs as possible, all of them perhaps), but along side this cost in the take up rate of FTTH from the final 5% (not everyone will want/need it) and do this as well at the same time.
Then everyone who wants a fast connection will get one at much less cost than doing the whole country.
There wouldn't then be this horrible divide.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi I have found that it is very hard to get the customers connected to the FTTC when it is open not advertised by BT. If in the BT commercial section only a few read their e/mails from BT and they are the ones that have registered for Infinity. After this the delay to advise the other ISP,s (5 months on mine) who do not want their customers on due to low returns.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
@blackmamba What delay to inform the other providers? No issues here getting connected to FTTC from other providers well inside that time frame.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew. Hindhead cab 13 was open for service January I was advised three weeks later by E/ Mail that I could have service on FTTC BT Infinity.
I did not take up the option until my router 2 went faulty with all the others in the street. All others had not been advised SKy talktalk Plusnet .
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew. The Plusnet customer has just had her router delivered today by post connection to Infinity is Wednesday.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
Plusnet users are not connected to Infinity only BT retails customers are.

Are you saying BT Wholesale was refusing orders till a few weeks ago to PlusNet? Or just people only just spotted it was available where BT Retail are more pro-active.

Openreach make the same money from all and ISP have access to same checkers
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew When the customer has her lInfinity fitted what Band will she be in. A or B on the FTTC ?.
If she had stayed with Plusnet what Band would she be in A or B?

Regards. Phil E
Posted by wayhav over 2 years ago
Like the map, see a great big void around exmoor, i live in Minehead, struggle to get 2Mbps, looking at your map can't see it ever reaching here
Wayne
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
BT Wholesale has uniform pricing across the country for GEA-FTTC. What PlusNet do is up to them.

So if its Infinity its the same price everywhere, if its a fibre service (which is NOT Infinity) from PlusNet it may vary.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
@wayhav on the big gaps - well hopefully the later phases will visit some of the gaps, but there is a lot of empty green landscape in that part of the world.
Posted by Somerset over 2 years ago
@wayhav - some cabs going into Minehead now?
Posted by gerarda over 2 years ago
@gadget If you think they are independant have a look at the number of times BT roll them out whenever they are being criticised or their agenda is threatened.

As an example If memory serves me correctly it was an AM report which said fixed wireless was not capable of 24Mb speeds.
Posted by wayhav over 2 years ago
@Somerset, Hi is that a question, (No idea) or a statement as you know?

Cheers

Wayne
Posted by Somerset over 2 years ago
Are there any being installed, eg. in Parkhouse Road?
Posted by wayhav over 2 years ago
Not that i know of.....
Posted by wayhav over 2 years ago
@Somerset, Hello I've just seen your post re lots of cabinets going into Minehead in September, where did this info come from, is it reliable as that would be great news :-)
Posted by Somerset over 2 years ago
roadworks.org
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi watchers. Check Elgin daily and you will see the fibre runs and the Cab,s locations power 240 v provision plus duct blockages.
Then check a number close on ISP. AA if the Cab is open for service or giving a date.
Keep watching.
Posted by bb4chudleigh over 2 years ago
Chudleigh listed as being live in this announcement, but it isn't.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew. The above customer who,s line that was going to be fitted failed yesterday transfer from Plusnet to Bt Infinity because of the transfer number.
Hope to have it fitted next week.I am not surprised that the % rate is only 14%
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew. The above number was not fitted yesterday on the forth attempt due to house name incorrect and posy code not the same on sales data base and Openreach data base.
Posted by Blackmamba over 2 years ago
Hi Andrew. The above number failed on Friday on attempt no 6 to get Infinity 2 I have checked routing DP to customer FTTC Availibity all this passed via Surrey Superfast reply 5 working days to NGA Surrey. This has been going on from January on Cab in the BT section. If this is going on over Surrey the take up rate is failing 14%.
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