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What might Welsh project deliver in Llandudno and Abergele
Wednesday 02 July 2014 09:20:41 by Andrew Ferguson

BT appears to have confirmed to a number of politicians in North Wales that Llandudno and Abergele exchanges in North Wales are set to get upgrades to deliver FTTC based services (and who knows maybe some FTTP) and the first cabinet activations will be in time for Christmas. Current status for both exchanges appears to be they are under evaluation, so one assumes BT has a raft of updates to push out the door or keep secret.

Calculated coverage for Llandudno if all cabinets enabled
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The big unknown is which cabinets on both exchanges will get enabled and what will be done for the Exchange Only lines. The map above and a similar map for Abergele shows what is potentially possible if all the existing green street cabinets get a fibre twin, but it seems unlikely that by Christmas all the cabinets on both exchanges will be live.

We calculated the overview for Wales back in June, and it needs to be emphasised that the 96% target in Wales is premises with the option to order a fibre based service, which means that the percentage able to get superfast type speeds will always be lower, how much lower is where most of the arguments are.

North Wales has so far seen the bulk of the work for the Superfast Cymru project leaving an increasingly annoyed group of people in mid-Wales who are worried that the project is going to miss them out.

Comments

Posted by Koppo over 2 years ago
"North Wales has so far seen the bulk of the work for the Superfast Cymru"

Not it hasn't. The vast majority of North Wales is Conwy (Wrexham? lol), which has been consistently behind in all stages of broadband deployment since ADSL was first rolled out. Still No plans for Colwyn Bay, the biggest town (total lines) on the North Wales coast. So big it needs three exchanges to serve its 20k+ lines.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
"North Wales has so far seen the bulk of the work for the Superfast Cymru project leaving an increasingly annoyed group of people in mid-Wales who are worried that the project is going to miss them out."

Ther's also an increasingly annoyed group of people in N Wales whose exchanges were started well over a year ago but have seen work abandoned in favour of new areas being "started".
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
I challenged SF Cymru yesteday when they announced that "some areas" will get fibre by December, to say which areas exactly, but they refused to do so yet again under the premise of "don't wish to raise false hopes". So exactly what are they doing then by saying some people will get it in December but keeping it a secret as to exactly where?? How ridiculous and stupid aree they beginning to sound. "Some people will get it, othere won't, but we're keeping it a secret as we don't want to raise false hopes.". This whole thing is a PR disaster and they are looking like fools.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
They keep announcign start dates becuase it looks good for PR, but the reality is that they are indeed raising peoples false hopes and they don't publicise that actually they "start" areas but don't complete them and just move onto the next. This really needs to be publicised to show what a farce these "start" dates really are and to show them for what they are - a cheap publicity stunt and a tease game.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
Their official stance for not publcising ares is that "dates can change" (although no-one has ever asked for exact dates - they have invented that) and "we don't want to raise false hopes", and it's their own choice and nothing to do with OR holding them to commercial confidentiality or anything like that. But the "false hopes" and "dates can move" excuses have got to be the weakest and most unbelievable excuses for deliberately withholding information from the public that any body has uttered.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
@csimon So more of the ribbon cutting stuff on the days when a cabinet goes live to order?

No need for massively expensive affair, just local councillor smiling next to cabinet and coverage in the local press would suffice for most people.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
Note that by announcing "start dates" for4 exchanges without deatiling the acrtual cabs, they have effectively prevented anyone on those exchanges now for applying for a Welsh government grant. I brought that up with them but they say it's not their problem, it's the WAG that set the rules.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
PS. Sorry for the rants, but I do feel strongly about it!
Posted by cymru123 over 2 years ago
Here's the map which shows the "NGA White spaces" that aren't included in the current Superfast Cymru BDUK programme. The Welsh Gov. are in the process of a public consultation on what to do with these "NGA White Spaces".

The map can be found here: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://www.doogal.co.uk/GeocodedKml/53b19467e0b21.kml

The postcodes are from a spreadsheet released by the Welsh Gov. and can be found here: http://wales.gov.uk/consultations/businessandeconomy/superfast-infill/?lang=en
Posted by AndrueC over 2 years ago
About time! I don't understand why LLandudno, Conwy and C'bay are always being left out. Three of the biggest communities on the coast and they always get the crap end of the stick.
Posted by AndrueC over 2 years ago
I mean, FFS - it's nigh-on 70,000 people who are still only getting a vague promise of FTTC. Cards on the table - I don't live there - but I know plenty of people who do and it's ridiculous. It can't even be that hard to provision them - just run some more fibre along the A55.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
@AndrueC surely there is fibre all over the place in North Wales from the £30m 10 Gbps capable FibreSpeed network started in 2008
Posted by AndrueC over 2 years ago
Well yes, although presumably BT can't use that. I can understand the issues of mid-wales or the bits away from the coast since that's hilly, tricky to reach and generally small communities. Classic rural UK and difficult to upgrade. But 70,000 people living along a ten mile stretch of coast within a mile or two of a major regional highway just makes no sense to me.

C'bay and Llandudno are not sleepy seaside towns that lie empty out of season. They are large vibrant towns.
Posted by AndrueC over 2 years ago
Having had a closer look at the map this morning it's interesting that apparently not many people are going to see 80Mb/s. Most seem to be around 40 to 60. Is that a common result in most towns or an artefact of some values being obscured?

I wonder if small numbers of people achieving full speed would put BT off a roll-out?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 2 years ago
The 80 are there as is 100, ie those on top of cab.

We tail speeds off slightly faster than Openreach as these take into account high levels of crosstalk
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
@cymru123: that's absolutely brilliant, thanks for posting that! That's exactly what SF Cymru should have been publishing. It would stop a great deal of the enquiries and moans that they get.
Posted by Koppo over 2 years ago
Just read the NGA white spaces document. No plans to upgrade ANY of the 3 exchanges serving Colwyn Bay. How does a township of over 30,000 people and the second largest community and business centre in North Wales (16th biggest in all of Wales) not merit inclusion in SFC's plans? Seems like blatant discrimination to me. Look at the coverage map - big black hole smack bang in the centre of the N Wales coastline. Time to rally local media. More like Superfarce Cymru tbh.
Posted by csimon over 2 years ago
The white spaces also contain areas that ARE covered by SFC but where not all premises are covered. Also, these are postcode areas not exchanges. However, if there are areas where you would have expected to be coveredawnd which aren't, then the failure to explain this when the announcement was made that the area is to start in December, has led to "false hopes being raised" hasn't it?
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