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Further detail on where Openreach is adding commercial superfast broadband
Friday 27 September 2013 17:22:37 by Andrew Ferguson

The commercial roll-out of superfast broadband may be entering its closing phases which was headlined by the announcement of the last 19 exchange areas to see new work. Accompanying that release was the news that 250,000 premises were set to benefit from additional infill work (normally adding more FTTC cabinets), we have now obtained the list and posted it in full in our forum announcement section.

Areas of note are Balham (3,561 premises), Bayswater (5,970), Brighton Hove (3,280), Earls Court (7,672), Erdington (15,379), Exeter (10,651), Hampton (12,132), Medway (4,259), Melrosegate (5,623), Sefton Park (5,960), Shoreditch (7,949), Vauxhall (4,029).

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Posted by redrum217uk over 3 years ago
My exchange is meant to go live sept 2013. You have 3 days BT ha
Posted by cyberdoyle over 3 years ago
If you want your cabinet to go live just organise a group to build your own network, bt will soon come and do the cabinet! Be careful what you wish for, because once its done you'll all be classed as 'superfast' on that exchange. 'homes passed' they call it, but only those close to the cab will get the upgrade, and only the first takers will get it, not all cabs can convert all the lines to the 'superfast' cabinet. Evidence on this: http://www.ewhurst-broadband.org.uk/?p=3609
Posted by jumpmum over 3 years ago
Many look like one or two additional cabs are being infilled, then there are the massive ones listed above that must have only been half done, (or were planned for FTTP and now changed to FTTC)
Posted by jumpmum over 3 years ago
CD
With a take up of only 10-20% the partial fit at the start is the only economic way to rollout. I assume that you are getting 100% of properties in the BarN area signing up :-) You cannot enforce people to take up SFBB only offer it to them so yes 100% on a cab will be deemed to be able to get it if the stats say they would exceed 15Mb
Posted by RandomJointer over 3 years ago
LOL @ cyberdoyle. Looking forward to those farmers just doing it with their moleploughs around the city gyratory.
Posted by Somerset over 3 years ago
Some exchanges have zero properties?

2nd cabinets are being installed where the 1st is full.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
Have asked on oddities already
Posted by David_W over 3 years ago
I'd notice the zeroes too.

I presume this list is in addition to previously announced infill. I know of an address on a new development that has been slated to gain FTTC under infill plans for some time - the development around the PCP was barely started when the exchange was originally enabled. This is PCP 120 on the Bedford exchange - but Bedford doesn't appear at all on this latest list.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
Yes in addition to previous lists
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
I suspect more BT spin. Are all the premises they list within 1.5km of the cabinet?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
Probably not all but why would BT bother spending the money if it knew most of premises were too far to get decent vdsl2?

We have looked at vdsl2 speeds from real users over on our blog
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
cydeloyle - not all as it seems - the evidence you quote is not as it seams -- more misinformaion / disinfoirmataion -- that one was never a community build
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
David_W that depends very much if the developer had any conversaion about his developemtn with openreach -- you weoul be surpised about the amount of developers who have not
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
cyberdoyle all the cabs in that community are enabled but a small number of premsies are too far to gain uplift to a SFBB service
Posted by Dixinormous over 3 years ago
If you could get extra info that'd be great Andrew, especially where the number of extra premises are very small.

Can't really see how building a cabinet for some of these could possibly deliver a payback though as I've mentioned I have seen small cabs upgraded while far larger ones nearby were ignored.

Anything sub-250 premises is a bit odd. Under 100 just seems bizarre.
Posted by Dixinormous over 3 years ago
@Cyberdoyle actually most cabinets couldn't take a 100% uptake so it's fortunate that most cabinets don't get that level of uptake. I believe even B4RN isn't close to a 100% uptake of homes passed so why you expect BT to hit that level is confusing.

BT both upgrade existing cabinets to deal with take up as they are in your 'proof' AND have installed second cabinets.

Do you really think BT spend the money installing cabinets and backhaul then not bother with tie pairs or line cards to increase revenue from that investment?
Posted by Dixinormous over 3 years ago
Actually while I'm looking at that link...

'It is believed that BT are to increase the capacity of cabinet 20′s FTTC to 256 (currently scheduled for 28 August or soon after but currently only 22 of the 128 services will be available until a second duct is installed.'

So that guy is complaining because even though BT are installing additional capacity ahead of requirements, the existing is barely 80% full, they didn't fully load the cabinet straight off.

Exactly what entitles Ewhurst to be built differently from every other area is beyond me, no DSLAM is installed fully loaded.
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
dixinormours makes me chuckle -especially the last sentence !!!!--
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
i understand that one of thse gentlemen that guy does not even reside - none of the cabs are full
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
i that locality
Posted by GMAN99 over 3 years ago
Ridiculous comments CD, once again the ill informed peddling "facts"

Speaking of B4RN it rolls out to areas that have expressed they want the service yet I believe they've yet to hit 50% take up. So for those areas that have specifically said "Yes please install it here" only 50% have purchased it. :|
Posted by GMAN99 over 3 years ago
Two totally different models, BT enables a cab where it expects to get some take up but doesn't engage direct with the public so a low take is understandable sometimes. B4RN engages face to face with its customers getting firm sign-ups, so their take up should be very very high, 80-90% I'd expect on average.
Posted by EnglishRob over 3 years ago
The cabinet attached to my work's head office was so close to getting enabled, but sadly was put back to March 2014 just the other day (should have been ready tomorrow). I'm really doubting that BT will have it ready by then either, even though other cabinets in the local area (even one just 200 metres or so away from the cabinet we're on has been enabled).
Posted by fastman over 3 years ago
english rob NGAenquries@openreach.co.uk will be able to advise why a delay and what can be done on re that delay
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
roadworks.org is a good one for tracking work without having to keep driving by to check and also the council planning website.

Has the road been recently resurfaced perhaps? Councils are loathe to allow digging on roads they have just resurfaced
Posted by Dixinormous over 3 years ago
EnglishRob - you may also want to check your local council's website to find out if that road is under a section 58 order - that'll be the ones that cause the issue Andrew is referring to where the council are reluctant to allow BT to dig.

Normally BT can use statutory powers to dig, however under a section 58 these don't apply.
Posted by pehaw over 3 years ago
"Yes in addition to previous lists " - Is this previously announced infill list publicly available somewhere?
Posted by phil_w_lee over 3 years ago
Far more exchanges would be getting the "commercial roll-out" if BT hadn't delayed upgrading any any exchanges that they can class as rural so that they can get a subsidy for doing them.
Another triumph for BDUK!
Posted by Dixinormous over 3 years ago
That's nonsense. Nearly all exchanges were classed as rural for the purposes of BDUK.

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/MYHLT is getting some BDUK funding to infill. Unsure how that could be classed as 'rural' under the normal definition.
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
I asked Ofcom for a definition of rural when their recent speed survey gave an average of 9mbs for rural areas. This is probably at least 10 times the real average speed. I never got an answer but suspect BT have told them to include towns under 50,000 in the definition of rural to mask the real problem.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
Ofcom records 14% of the UK as rural, 51% semi-urban http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/factsheet/q3-2013/rural-vs-suburban-urban-broadband-speeds-q3-2013-factsheet-large.jpg
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
We had a snippet of the old phase 11b infill in our news, but have just posted the full list onto our forum announcements section.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/announcements/t/4271814-july-2013-openreach-commercial-fibre-roll-out-infill.html
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
I have checked with the ONS. There are two definitions of "rural". One is villages, hamlets and isolated properties. The other includes market towns. The latter doubles the percentage and rather conveniently hides all the issues with longer reach provision.
Posted by New_Londoner over 3 years ago
WHy the obsession with rural? BT announced it would reach approx 66% of the population with its commercial programe then BDUK was formed to address as much as possible of the final third, bringing overall availability to around 90% altogether.

BDUK is about the final third, is not intended to be a soley rural initiative. So definitions of rural and associated consipiracy theories are irrelevant really. Sory!
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
Because BT, Ofcom and the govt will quote whatever stats appear to give the best results whilst ignoring those left out. They have been doing it for years with virtually no challenge. For example 5 years ago BT were quoting 99.8% of exchanges enabled as if 99.8% of premises could receive it. The only people who challenged this spin were the northeast development agency who did a survey in Northumberland and "found that geographically 25% of the county was unable to receive a service. This they discovered accounted for approximately 7% of businesses and 4% of households"
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
Despite that the myth that ADSL broadband had 100% coverage was perpetuated in Government leading to all sorts of online only initiatives. Even now it is almost impossible to find coverage of notspots rather than slowspots.

My fear is that if BT is allowed to spin the stats again then we will not achieve 100% of even 2mb coverage and they will persuade the government at the end (2015, 2017 or wherever they delay it to) that some spurious figure near to 99.8% will again be "job done"
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
Do people want geographic coverage? Geographic implies every sq km of landmass rather than buildings.
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
My example was simply to show statistics can be presented as indicating that the level of failure was between 20 and 35 times less than it was.
Posted by New_Londoner over 3 years ago
@Gerarda
4% of the population is a pretty small % of the UK population, so doesn't actually demonstrate what you suggest. You need to show this applied across all counties, including those with much higher densities that Northumberland.

For the rest of us, coverage of the population is what counts for fixed broadband, not landmass.
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
I was comparing 99.8% purported availability in Northumberland so my figures are comparable. In the East of England the comparable figures were 99.7% and 3%- so understated by a factor of 10. The incorrect 0.3% was then used in the regional strategy plan to state that ADSL coverage was complete - which is why 1000s of us still have not got it, and why I get angry about BT propaganda continuing to be spewed out by the likes of Ed Vaizey.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
At the end of the day until every property has actually tried to order and run an ADSL based service you will not know the number it will work on.

Even 0.2% is 120,000 people on a national scale.
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
Andrew I think the 3% was the minimum figure based on length from exchange - you may well have been able to double it for the other reasons, bad or aluminium wiring etc. Ofcom did a postcode analysis last year but then tried to claim that the lack of anyone using a service in a postcode was mainly lack of demand not lack of availability. Even so they still came up with a figure of 1.3% which is 750,000 people
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 3 years ago
ADSL does not die at a specific length though, we have seen 15km working, and 5km failing.

Was that the same postcode analysis that says 95% can get 2 Meg now? Many postcodes with no data in their published dataset.
Posted by gerarda over 3 years ago
The dataset is dated 14 November 2012. In my postcode area there was no or insufficient data for 617 out of 1441 postcodes. I am not a statistician but I am not sure how much confidence you can have in any results drawn from that.
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