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Telefonica UK in ten year deal with BT Wholesale
Monday 29 April 2013 10:08:40 by Andrew Ferguson

Telefonica UK appears to be taking a dual pronged approach to expansion of its data network for the forthcoming roll-out of 4G data services. BT Wholesale and O2 have announced the signing of a ten year deal to construct a high capacity transmission network, when just last week they also figured in the Virgin Media financial results for another ten year deal.

Many are hoping that once several 4G operators are up and running in the UK that the price will come down, particularly the cost per GB of data. To some extent with the 3G network the problem has been managing capacity over the mobile segment, hence data was a high cost commodity, with the efficiencies of 4G hopefully the price per GB will tend towards the cost of fixed broadband packages. Well that is the hope anyway.


Posted by cyberdoyle over 4 years ago
If the price of 4G comes down to the price of fixed lines then everyone will migrate to it. Most don't use the land line for calls any more anyway, the have the line for broadband. My cousin doesn't even know what his landline number is. Can't see BT letting that happen can you?
Posted by GMAN99 over 4 years ago
I certainly think some would move to 4g, but not everyone. 4g simply cannot scale like fixed broadband can
Posted by Kushan over 4 years ago
As great as 4G is, I don't think it would be able to handle what will soon be an "average" household - with 2 or 3 people streaming HD content at the same time. Never mind the likes of gaming.
Posted by herdwick over 4 years ago
One FTTC landline can have more total bandwidth than 4G, so I don't think there's any realistic future in fixed internet access over 4G unless someone can explain where the spectrum is coming from (we aren't making any more).
Posted by baby_frogmella over 4 years ago
Perhaps those living in Piccadilly Circus could ditch their landlines in favour of 4G one day but certainly can't see that (ever?) happening here in the Scottish Highlands.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 4 years ago
@herdwick, did you include the downsizing of freeview to release more premium spectrum for 4G.

So even if fixed 4G LTE was used people think it is a dead duck?
Posted by mitchja over 4 years ago
My 4G is faster than my fixed line broadband here (Sky upto 20Mb service). Pings are also similar. Get ~28mbps down and ~18mbps up with 4G and EE are about to start doubling the 4G speeds.
Posted by mitchja over 4 years ago
In fact my 3G download speed is about the same as my Sky download speeds now as well. I don't live in a big city either. Live in East lancashire where 4G is really taking off now round here.
Posted by GMAN99 over 4 years ago
mitchja , that's fine, but wait until there are tens of thousands of customers in your area and see if you get the same results.
Posted by SMabille over 4 years ago
@baby_frogmella Piccadilly Circus will probably one of the worst place to ditch landline for 4G, number of device to share the same cell/bandwidth/spectrum will be very high...

4G should be a complement to fixed internet access (ideally FTTP) not a replacement.

One other big problem of 3/4G is you are behind provider NAT, so until we switch to ip6 it's virtually useless for anything but clients. Non-NAT 3G connectivity (for fixed line backup) is difficult to find (once again Andrews & Arnold is your friend there).
Posted by herdwick over 4 years ago
4G LTE can do realistic sector throughputs of a best case total of what - 80 Mbits/s with 20 MHz channel ? So if one company has a 20M allocation all the customers of that one company in your street are going to be sharing the same bandwidth as a single FTTC line might get.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 4 years ago
With the 30 Mbps reserved, more like 3 VDSL lines.
Posted by herdwick over 4 years ago
"However, even for a dense urban area with large numbers of users, a three-sector macro cell using a 20MHz radio channel plus 4x4 MIMO technology is unlikely to require more than 150Mbps-200Mbps dedicated backhaul capacity."
Posted by herdwick over 4 years ago
So 3 VDSL lines can backhaul an LTE base station. QED.

Does your typical home fixed broadband user want 1/200th of 3 FTTC lines or a whole one to themselves.
Posted by Alex121 over 4 years ago
@cyberdoyle Everyone I know still uses their landline for phone calls.
Posted by otester over 4 years ago
I think this speaks for itself...

And for those of you boasting about 4G on EE, remind me, how long can you use that for (at full speed) before you run out of usage? Yeah...that's what I thought...
Posted by WWWombat over 4 years ago
Nice speed.

It's a bit like car speeds on the M1 when it first opened - it's a bit different on a Friday evening nowadays!
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