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Openreach announces start of trials for new FTTP products
Tuesday 24 April 2012 10:10:47 by Andrew Ferguson

Full fibre broadband as in Fibre to the Premises as rolled out by Openreach is now about to show some more of its promise with the local loop operator announcing a trial and pilot that will run from now until 11th June 2012. The trials will feature two main products, a 330 Mbps download version, and an 80 Mbps service.

The deployment is not under trial, it is more about ensuring that the ordering systems, and backhaul cope smoothly with the faster users, and also it provides people like BT Wholesale time to trial how to run the faster variant across its wholesale network. The 330 Mbps will also allow retail providers to test suitable broadband routers, as routing 330 Mbps is beyond the capabilities of many routers.

The 330 Mbps service will be available with two upstream speeds 20 Mbps and 30 Mbps. The 80 Mbps download and 20 Mbps upload is actually slower than the existing FTTP product, but this should give it a lower price point, and by matching a FTTC product speed may fit better into the retail plans for providers. Though compared to FTTC the big advantage of full fibre is that there is no line length trade off, i.e. you will connect at the full 80 Mbps.

The trials initial phase which will see connections being connected after 7th May is limited to six areas, Bradwell Abbey, Highams Park, Ilford Central, Leytonstone, York and Wembley. From 21st May the pilot will expand to mean the pilot is available anywhere in the UK that FTTP from Openreach is available.

For the duration of the trials, the service will be free from Openreach, but once the trials conclude service will become chargeable. If interested in taking part, you need to contact your retail broadband provider. Some more information on the trial is available on the Openreach website.

Comments

Posted by undecidedadrian over 5 years ago
What will be the kicker will be install costs.

If OR charge their standard £130 per hour it could be quite an eye opener for people.

But at least for the few people that want it they will be able to have it.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
Openreach don't charge per hour for installs the price is £80+VAT from Openreach.

If they take fibre voice too, then its £105

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5013-openreach-prices-up-voice-services-over-fibre-to-the-premises.html
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
If its an £80 install I'm sure people can stomach that. Nice to see this moving, a true FTTP product and able to advertise at the actual speed
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
Actually advertised speeds may be slightly lower, as these are based on testing, so some degree of hardware/PC variability ends up in the mix.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
No doubt it will launch as 300Mbps
Posted by ScubaGirl over 5 years ago
Considering that FTTC is now available at 80/20 and FTTP is currently 300/15, this 'trial' is a little slow off the ground.

Considering that FTTP speeds in other countries are capable of significantly higher speeds, it would be nice to know when BTO are going to actually provide us with a proper choice too.

In the mean time they continue to pussy-foot around and restricting the customer base from making more of the potential of FTTP.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
"and FTTP is currently 300/15"

Umm is it? Its currently 100Mbps surely and this is what the trial is all about, the jump in speed to 300
Posted by vicdupreez over 5 years ago
Has anyone said yet who will be able to order this? Is it only people with FTTC cabs in their area or can anyone give it a go? Have they committed yet on the exchanges without ANY cabinets?

Thanks
Vic
Posted by charlesl over 5 years ago
Which CPs are taking part? (I'll get my MAC and transfer...)
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
Since it has only been announced today, then no news on who is taking part.

If your provider already offers FTTP from Openreach then maybe phone and ask.
Posted by Michael_Chare over 5 years ago
I just hope that FTTP becomes more widely available, and that after the trials they concentrate on areas where it will make the most difference. Does FTTP rely on powered equipment in cabinets, and if so what provision do they make for power cuts?
Posted by whatever2 over 5 years ago
Supposed to be getting FTTP here, which is why we're probably last to get FTTC...
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
"I just hope that FTTP becomes more widely available" - FTTP on Demand will be launched 2013 and be available wherever FTTC is available.

"nd that after the trials they concentrate on areas where it will make the most difference." Like any business they'll go where the money and market is.

Telco's aren't charities rolling out services to make a difference, its to make money like everyone else.
Posted by alexatkinuk over 5 years ago
If its anything like the US, the fibre CPE at your house has a backup battery in it to keep your phone running in case of a power cut.

Of course there is also a battery in the cabinet on the street for the same reason.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
@michael_chare

FTTP does not use the cabinets, the kit can be mounted on poles if that is used in an area, or for ducted areas, then pavement chambers are used.

No need for power, only power is needed at each end to light the fibre.

In terms of power cuts, no problem as broadband can vanish, the USO for telephones means there are rules that affect Fibre Voice Access, and a battery solution in the home is provided.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
For FTTP the battery is not in a street cabinet, but located at the handover node (old word is telephone exchange).

Posted by Michael_Chare over 5 years ago
Thanks, calling the Electricity Board (PES) when there is a power cut is something I have to do all to frequently! Looks like this will still be possible in the event that FTTP comes my way. Powering equipment at my end is something I could do.
Posted by camieabz over 5 years ago
@Andrew

"Since it has only been announced today, then no news on who is taking part.

If your provider already offers FTTP from Openreach then maybe phone and ask. "

I'll pop a fiver on the ISPs waiting until BT announces its retail pricing (obviously they have to wait for the wholsale pricing too), then see what sweeteners they can offer.'

330Mbp/s...can you get Annex M with that? :)
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
Telco's aren't charities rolling out services to make a difference, its to make money like everyone else.
then why are the greedy bastards are after BDUK cash? making sure others that could provide it don't get a look in by having their monopoly OP make sure they don'y have a chance.
Posted by undecidedadrian over 5 years ago
What others?

Who else but a telco would be able to supply broadband using BDUK money.

Once again an ill-informed opion from somebody who can't even tell how fast their line is.
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
@undecidedadrian Fujitsu smart ass, and btw, it is 500 kilobytes ps, unless Utorrent has something against the 4,500 megabits?
[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/15xkff8.jpg[/IMG]
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
that one won't work
<a href="http://tinypic.com?ref=15xkff8" target="_blank"><img src="http://i48.tinypic.com/15xkff8.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a>
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
[IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/ehrgl.png[/IMG]
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
You'll find the link in my old forum post, even pasting into the url bar brings up errors.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre/f/4116998-why-do-bt-fibre-only-certain-cabs.html#Post4116998
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Oh creaky you seem to struggle to grasp what BDUK is still.

BDUK is for areas where ISP's won't go as the returns period is so high. So in other words, these areas without additional funding will never get upgraded. So without BDUK, nothing. BDUK is used to cover the initial outlay of the service meaning it is then commercially viable to deploy in that area.

If they don't bid they customer doesn't get this service, is that what you want?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
BDUK funds exist to serve two purposes

1. 2 Mbps USC
2. Provide stimulus funds to extend reach of superfast services as far as possible to 100%, with a firm target of 90% coverage.

Stimulus means it is removing some of the risk, by providing part of the money. e.g. if BT were to win £530m BDUK, with the council match fundng, the company will need to find another £1bn to do the job.

BDUK is VERY different to the usual government tenders.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
@creakcopperline

That TinyPic picture, 1.6GigaByte file appears to be arriving at 637 Kilo Bytes per second?

Where is the 500 kilo bits per second from?
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
sorry i ment bits, where are the rest of my 4 and a half megabyes?
Posted by mabibby over 5 years ago
*sighs*

@creakycopperline... ineptness at it's best. Can't help but laugh.

On another note, I can't help shake my head at people who still moan BT aren't doing enough. An FTTP trial of 330mb/s is pretty impressive. You try putting a service wrapper around that and coming up with a way to deliver it to millions of idiots that live in this country for a reasonable price.

BDUK is as Andrew said, not a hand out but an investment option for wholesalers. I wish people did their homework first before mouthing off.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
@creakycopperline

1. Can we have a screenshot of your modems connection speed page

2. We can then see if you are missing data

Sorry to say but evidence suggests, that you are confused over bits and Bytes, and what Windows displays. Which is Bytes.
Posted by fastman over 5 years ago
BDUK moeny can onlbe spent in tervention are - ie where Providers are not going commmercially - it cannot be spent where provdiers are intenting to go commerciallly (Providers have to prove they are not going or would not gone) and that is auditable for upto 7 years following contract
Posted by undecidedadrian over 5 years ago
Quote: @undecidedadrian Fujitsu smart ass.

And Fujitsu is a Telecoms company as well, which is part of the global brand.

So you seem to resort to insults when you show your ignorance.

I suppose the old adage, don't argue with an idiot as they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience seems to hold here.
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
@mabibby at what point have i said i'm against BT deploying fibre? [millions of idiots that
live in this country for a reasonable price.] [that includes you]

@undecided, so fujitsu are in the BB retail business now? news to me. and if you're going to belittle folk just because they challenge your pro BT rubbish, pot kettle black?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
Fujitsu is not in the retail BB game, but has an undertaking that TalkTalk and Virgin Media will offer products using its wholesale service.
Posted by undecidedadrian over 5 years ago
@creaky. I didn't say Fujitsu are in the retail business.
You were having a pop at the "Greedy Telcos", which are Telecoms companies which include Fujitsu and a whole raft of other companies.
I don't know what you think a telco is but it isn't just retail

Perhaps you should actually say what you mean before jumping feet first

And it is not because I am "pro BT" it is because seeing such ignorance needs to corrected, even though you have proven to be unwilling or unable to admit that even when you are present with evidence.
Posted by infunity over 5 years ago
Damn it. I really thought it's my time.

The trial's open to users connected to the Wembley exchange and despite being equidistant to the Wembley and North Wembley exchanges, I'm connected to the latter. Damn it to hell!
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