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Everything Everywhere to try and get 4G running in 2012
Thursday 23 February 2012 10:08:55 by Andrew Ferguson

The 4G auctions are not expected to happen until a lot later in 2012, with national deployment of networks towards the end of 2013. Everything Everywhere who already have a 4G trial running in Cornwall wants to jump the queue and start offering a service before the end of 2012.

The mobile provider is looking at re-purposing the 1800 MHz spectrum that they use for 3G services to carry 4G. Any national roll-out requires Ofcom approval but it looks like a trial in Bristol will take place in April 2012. The approval process will require a consultation period, and assuming no massive objections arise will take around eight to twelve weeks.

4G while late to market in the UK, is still not fully mature abroad, though if the UK does not roll-out 4G until late in 2013 it will be well behind other countries who started their roll-outs in 2009. 4G with connection speeds of 8 Mbps to 20 Mbps does have the ability to offer a major speed boost compared to 3G and may give landline based services a serious competitor.

The biggest stumbling block for people adopting 3G after the ability to get the service at all is the usage allowance bundles, and the cost of excess usage. For 4G to become a true broadband service competing with ADSL2+, cable and fibre the level of usage allowance will need addressing.


Posted by garddelan over 5 years ago
4G?? please give us 3G, still struggling on poor quality 2G here (Anglesey North Wales)!!
Posted by otester over 5 years ago

Masts don't come cheap, I suggest you move to a more economically viable area.
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
so that's the answer is it? abandon the countryside, so BT can keep the millions they overcharged for poor broadband, (ADSL2+), digital divide here we come, answer me this, how did the current infrastructure get in place if it was unecomnomical? oh that's right it wasn't private, but still monopoly,
gmann i await your BT
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
loving response
Posted by NilSatisOptimum over 5 years ago
@otester I don’t know if you are serious or playing very blind devil’s advocate although usage will be key. @garddeland you do have “fibrespeed” in that part of Wales which is also now being sold to Wireless companies.
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
I don't see how you can address the allowance issue. Anything that's wireless has a 'local loop' contention issue. There's only so much bandwidth that a given tower can handle and people don't want hundreds of new towers springing up.
Posted by NilSatisOptimum over 5 years ago
As long as they are smaller than the hunderds if not thousands (near 1000 in N Powys alone) of wind turbines going up.
Posted by undecidedadrian over 5 years ago
masts are a lot cheaper nowadays with ones that fit on top of lamposts.

Round here every other lampost on the urban clearways has one.
Posted by otester over 5 years ago

Maybe you should have thought about that before voting in politicians which made the system uncompetitive.

Anyways if 3 can do unlimited at the moment with reasonable speeds, no reason why they can't when LTE comes along.
Posted by c_j_ over 5 years ago
"Masts don't come cheap, I suggest you move to a more economically viable area. "

I dunno about that.

Anglesey was already scheduled for a 4G trial a year ago.

Of course it was comedy "ISP" H2O Networks/I3 that was making the promises so I presume it never happened (would be delighted to be proved wrong though).
Posted by webworks over 5 years ago
No mobile service, and 2Mbps "busuness" broadband at best - why oh why don't we ALL just lobby for fair charging based on IP profile - mine varies from 2000 down to 1000 so that's all I can ever get - why must I pay for "up to 8Mbps" - like paying for a 50kW mains feed that's only capable of 15kW!!! But that's politics:-)
Posted by webworks over 5 years ago
PS - just 2 miles from a new "super fast broadband" area near Liskeard in Cornwall - everyone is telling me how it will have a huge impact on my business - they are correct - but in the wrong direction:-(
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago

The key to charging is how much you use the connection, a 16 Meg ADSL2+ costs the same as one that can only do 0.5 Meg.

What price differential would be reasonable?

At one time 1Meg cost £30 and 2Meg was over £40, i.e. the last time we had 'fair' charging in 2004. 8Meg or most was going to be £70+
Posted by otester over 5 years ago

You wanted a cheap system, you got it, just means hardly any infrastructure investment, hence you're now reaping what you sowed.
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
ISPs will simply not provide service for anyone on an estimated profile that will not provide and adequate return.ISPs are not obliged to provide service. Simples.

That would do wonders for our average BB speed, we'd shoot up the tables as poor connections would simply not exist.
Posted by otester over 5 years ago

Does Be still discriminate against long lines?
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Never had the pleasure, so never been discriminated against!

On another note FTTC up in our village. We're on port 1 and at 400m from the cab and we're getting 39.6 on BT beta speed test and 37 and a bit off
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago

You have answered the question yourself, when it was first rolled out at great expense no-one had to worry about how much it cost because the government did it and the tax payers at the time footed the entire bill
Posted by herdwick over 5 years ago
There are three problems with any form of mobile or wireless broadband - contention, contention and contention.

If EverythingEverywhere own 20 MHz of spectrum then they can only supply a total capacity of 40 - 80 Mbits/s to a base station sector area which looks a bit silly against the 6 Gig connection into an FTTC cab.
Posted by otester over 5 years ago

With LTE Advanced already being available they don't really have an excuse.

Just look at 3, HSDPA 3.6Mbps and then upgrading in places that need it, whether it be HSDPA 7.2Mbps or HSPA+ 14.4/21, so EE could just upgrade congested masts with LTE Advanced.
Posted by Mince1978 over 5 years ago
Free Fibre Broadband for all!!!
Posted by chrysalis over 5 years ago
ofcom needs investigating, how is this been allowed to drag so late, 4g is been rolled out overseas already and we not even got frequencies activated yet? whats the reason for this farce.
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