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Fibre for high-rise flats on the Isle of Dogs
Thursday 17 November 2011 16:56:34 by Andrew Ferguson

Residents on the Isle of Dogs benefited when fibre to the cabinet came to the Poplar exchange area some time ago, but people in blocks of flats tended to miss out on the benefits. As part of a trial aimed at residents of high-rise developments Openreach is canvasing interest to install fibre to flats in the West India Quay, Canary Riverside and Port East areas.

Wharf.co.uk provides more details on the plan, and indicates Openreach are posting leaflets through letter boxes in the area. The timescale is fairly short, with the current plan to have fibre in place in March 2012.

The Poplar exchange is almost infamous as it has often ran out of capacity, with people waiting for someone to give up a broadband service so they can connect at the exchange, in addition to very long line lengths. The FTTC roll-out is apparently continuing, but those in high-rises look set to benefit from a full fibre connection to the flat, giving access to 100 Mbps now, rising to 300 Mbps in 2012, and scope for faster speeds in the future.

For those in the areas mentioned, who have not had the leaflet through their door visit www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/resident for an expression of interest form.

Comments

Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Interesting, it looks like a little competition from Hyperoptic has roused BT from it's sleep. I do like it when proper competition hurrys things up.
Posted by timmay over 5 years ago
what about in other areas?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
Other areas, well lets get the trial underway first.

Guess Openreach wants to explore any issues with fibre tubes and blowing fibre through the blocks of flats. Plus remember landlords to be dealt with too.
Posted by 21again over 5 years ago
> giving access to 100 Mbps now, rising to 300 Mbps in 2012, and scope for faster speeds in the future.

Wow! the digital divide is just getting bigger and bigger, some of us are struggling to get 2Meg throughput :(
Must be all that FTTC connections pushing masses of data through an inadequate BT network :P
Posted by KarlAustin over 5 years ago
It's about time they sorted it for the Wharf & IoD considering it's the most heavily connected square mile or two in the UK, that they were stuck with long lines and low speeds was a joke. (For anyone who doesn't realise, there's more Data Centres in that relatively small area than anywhere else in the country)
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
The FTTC roll-out is making progress, with speed tests popping up in the area.
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
21again

Are you complaining that people in not spots (literal not spots as there is no capacity at the exchange) are being given a solution to their problems?
Posted by 21again over 5 years ago
> Are you complaining that people in not spots (literal not spots as there is no capacity at the exchange) are being given a solution to their problems?

No,just fed up when there is no sign of thousands of exchanges obviously mine included getting upgraded to 21CN in the near future, never mind FTTC on top of it :(




Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
89% have access to ADSL2+ via TalkTalk or one of the providers using its wholesale product.

Posted by New_Londoner over 5 years ago
Good to see this happening on the Isle fo Dogs, although I'm pretty sure its also being done by Openreach elsewhere in London too.
Posted by 21again over 5 years ago
> 89% have access to ADSL2+ via TalkTalk or one of the providers using its wholesale product.

That may be so,but 89% of what?
Who provides these stats and how reliable are they in the "real" world?

Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
@Karl, yeah heheh it is the DC capital quite ironic really
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
89% of UK households, and figure is from recent TalkTalk financial results, and they are still expanding coverage.
Posted by paulbeattie87 over 5 years ago
The pricing on this is just ridiculous. In Romania FTTB (Fibre to The Block) for 100Mbit is about €8 per month or £7-8. Openreach and ISPs need to get a handle on the costs of next gen broadband services.
Posted by New_Londoner over 5 years ago
@Paul
This is not "FTTB", its FTTP - each apartment gets its own individual fibre feed, will have the same bandwidth available as for other FTTP customers.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
paul, Internet access prices in the UK are amongst the cheapest in the world which I believe already stifles progress, it certainly should not be cheaper
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Paul
UK Per Capita $39.6k
Romania $7.5k

£7-8 = £35-40... so the same price

Of course, we could sack all the UK workers and get cheap Romanians to so all the labour!

Sigh... So few people understand simple economics these days...
Posted by dustofnations over 5 years ago
New_Londoner - Interestingly some providers (e.g. Hyperoptic) doing flats are calling their products FTTP despite only using fibre to the basement/utility room then running ethernet cabling to the flats (or some similar topology depending on length restrictions).

In that instance, whilst technically not FTTP I don't really object to the naming, as over such short runs they should be able to match speeds between copper & fibre (i.e. 10GbE is here now, and 40GbE, 100GbE on the horizon).
Posted by New_Londoner over 5 years ago
@dustofnations
Fair enough, but this does imply some sort of concentration point, active electronics in the building in order to connect the fibre to the copper cables - single point of failure, battery back-up? It also means all the apartments will be sharing a single link, which may be fine depending on the bandwidth allocated, although bear in mind some of the buildings on the Isle of Dogs contain several hundred apartments.
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Hyperoptic for Prices Court (at least) is true FTTH as opposed to FTTB.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4827-gigabit-fibre-goes-live-in-prices-court-wandsworth.html
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Oops wrong link

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/370603/1gbit-sec-broadband-lands-in-london
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
This BT trial is actually "but those in high-rises look set to benefit from a full fibre connection to the flat" i.e. FTTP

The hint is in the speeds it will offer 100Meg rising to 300Meg in 2012
Posted by slinkyspring over 5 years ago
FTTB/P isn't the important thing, it's the bandwidth available at the premises. GPON (BT)is just as, if not more so, shared than a FTTB setup. Further, unless distances are really big, there's nothing FTTB can't do than FTTP can do (especially when it's GPON). The BT GPON install is also terrible with three separate boxes not to mention the price!
Posted by dustofnations over 5 years ago
@themanstan - Wrong. From the HyperOptic FAQ.

Q: What kind of fibre network do you use?
A: We install a Fibre-To-The-Building (FTTB) network. This means we run fibre optics all the way to the basement of your property, instead of a cabinet at the end of your street. Within the building we use Ethernet cabling or fibre depending on its characteristics, both offer the same throughput at this usage. In your premise you will be presented with a single Ethernet port.

p.s. Sorry I accidentally posted this response onto the wrong comments section earlier.
Posted by Alchemyfire over 5 years ago
Slum dog millionaire
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
I think we'll have to wait and see.

They state fibre to base plate in the flat, in the PC pro interview.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
FAQ for Hyperoptic - they use both, i.e. depends on the building.

This BT project is full fibre to the flat. If it is easy enough then hopefully more of it.

GPON/sharing/congestion Openreach uses multiple GigE so ratio is currently better than VM DOCSIS product.
Posted by keith_thfc over 5 years ago
I'm on the Poplar exchange and desperately waiting for any Fibre service, so this is most welcome. Only get 3.5 Meg at the moment on ADSL as like many I'm high up in a block of flats. Not seen any leaflets about it from Openreach yet.
Posted by New_Londoner over 5 years ago
@Keith
Have you registered your interest using the link in the original story above?
Posted by keith_thfc over 5 years ago
yep, I have registered my interest.
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