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Help Derbyshire County Council demonstrate your desire for better broadband
Monday 07 November 2011 18:14:23 by Andrew Ferguson

There are some that assume the BDUK money and results of tenders are a foregone conclusion, but most of the BDUK funds that have been earmarked already are subject to a requirement that councils manage to match-fund the amount. It is requirement to attract extra investment, or make the case for using a councils own funds to match the BDUK funding that is resulting in many councils carrying out surveys.

Derbyshire County Council is the latest council to carry out a survey, with different forms for residents and businesses, and for those not able to submit information online, a phone number for someone at the council who will transcribe your answers. Surrey County Council included information about its survey in their printed quarterly newsletter, hopefully other councils will do similar to ensure those unable to get online will be able to express their views.

Those with longer memories will remember South Derbyshire County Council carrying out a survey in 2008, that was to provide pressure on BT to improve services in the area. The BDUK funding and the work to get superfast broadband to something like 90% of households across the UK are much more concrete, and hopefully councils will have enough vision to get even areas where superfast services are not possible as fast a service as possible, rather than just meet the 2 Mbps Universal Service Commitment.


Posted by cyberdoyle over 5 years ago
If adsl2+ isn't classed as superfast ie bduk say over 24meg is superfast, and if the reach of cabinets starts to fall off at 300 metres, then how many of these cabinets are going to be needed to get superfast to 90% of the country? does anyone know? And how many more millions will be wasted on surveys?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
UK has 85,000 street cabinets, which is a lot less than having to run a new connection to 28,000,000 homes.

Profile 17a which BT is starting to use, drops below 25 Mbps at around 2000 feet, 600m.

Hence why options such as 4G, or line bonding may be used for some areas. No single solution is possible given the amount of money anyone is willing to spend.
Posted by cyberdoyle over 5 years ago
ah, so 85,000 x 30,000 =2.500,000 so that's a different question answered.
and anything over 600 metres is below superfast, and also below the 30meg recommended by europe, so the whole job will be to do again?
so do we know if 90% of the population live within 600 metres of one of these 'superfast' cabinets?
Posted by dustofnations over 5 years ago
@cyberdoyle - Really, the price of a survey is nothing compared to the massive labour, materials and other costs associated with laying fibre. I'm not sure where the 'millions' figure you espouse comes from.

In fact, as far as I'm aware the current FTTC approach doesn't preclude running FTTH from existing cabs at some point when it becomes viable.
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago

please use B4RN costings to calculate roll-out for the UK.... £1.86m for 1322 properties... ~£1408 per property, that's from the B4RN business plan. Let's halve that to allow for urban costings. I still make that £17 billion pounds... not far off what BT says it will cost to FTTH the whole of the UK. Where is this money going to come from? That is the only question I'd like you to answer!
Posted by Somerset over 5 years ago
Why halve, how many pavements in the B4RN area?
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
I'm allowing for BT running fibre over poles and ducts, avoiding digging as much as possible.
Posted by jumpmum over 5 years ago
cd: 85,000 x £30,000 = £2.5b. My understanding is that approx 75% are within 600m of a cab. But of those not within 600m, over 50% are direct from the exchange and mainly in the cities/towns. These don't appear to be BT priority as they often already get 15Mb+ from ADSL2+.
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