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114 new FTTC and FTTH exchanges announced by BT
Wednesday 14 September 2011 14:43:37 by John Hunt

An extra 114 exchanges have been revealed by Openreach to receive new fibre-based broadband services. Over one million homes and businesses will benefit from the lastest announced deployments which are scheduled to be completed by Autumn 2012. BT are working towards enabling next-generation super-fast broadband to 2/3rds of the country by 2015 through a £2.5 billion programme of deploying fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) and fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) technology.

"I am pleased to be able to reveal the latest locations where we will make fibre broadband available. Our roll out is one of the fastest in the world and we are on track to pass ten million homes and businesses next year before pushing on further.

Fibre broadband will transform peoples’ experience of the internet and so I am sure the residents and businesses in these areas will welcome the news. No other company is doing as much as Openreach to bring super-fast broadband to the UK.

We believe that the government’s support makes it possible to get fibre to ninety per cent of homes and so we will be engaging with Broadband Delivery UK and local councils to offer our help and expertise. There is no substitute for experience when it comes to fibre deployment and we have more experience than anyone. We are also committed to offering open and equivalent access so that customers can benefit from a competitive market. Local monopolies benefit no-one and no public funds should go to supporting them”.

Mike Galvin, (Managing Director) Openreach

Of course, Galvin need not worry about companies running a closed network with BDUK funding as the tender process announced back in June for broadband suppliers to BDUK does require that open-access wholesale networks are developed.

The list of exchanges which are to be enabled can be found in the BT press-release. If you are in an area not yet announced, a further set of exchanges are planned to be announced in the next few months.

Comments

Posted by timmay over 5 years ago
"need not worry about companies running a closed network with BDUK funding " Oh crap that means that BT is the only company that can tender. Might as well not bother with the BDUK funding!
Posted by cyberdoyle over 5 years ago
spot on timmay. In our county only companies with £100 million turnover can tender. What a stitch up.
Also once again, they are calling it 'fibre broadband'. Fibre to the cabinet is good old copper phone line to the house. It is no more fibre broadband than my dial up is. I wish there were more 'local monopolies' offering a bit of competition to these marketing spin doctors.
Posted by cyberdoyle over 5 years ago
Also how can it be fair when the only access a company can have is through BT wholesale? that's a monopoly. innit? How can one company clean up all the funding to patch up its old copper phone network in this way? Other countries are buiding fresh fibre networks, not patching up with cabinets and calling it 'superfast'. Gigabit is superfast, not 'up to' 40 meg, and certainly not 'down to' 5 meg which is what Liv Garfield said cabinets would be available to.
Posted by Somerset over 5 years ago
How are other countries funding new fibre networks?
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
She's back again with nonsense. "It is no more fibre broadband than my dial up is." that bit out of the back of the cabinet to the exchange/PoP that is ALL fibre. What is it for your dial up? ALL copper. sigh. The only "copper" element is a few hundred metres if that, slightly less than KILOmetres. Do you read it back before posting?

Anyone can tender that can wholesale simple, anyone not just BT. Virgin or the Fuji consortium can tender but have to wholesale which is a good requirement as it promotes competition which is what your always complaining there is a lack of!?
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Cyber there are no Telco's in the UK with funds to roll out 90% FTTH, even combined they can't.
Bleating about the technology doesn't resolve the fact there isn't sufficient funds to do it, either in Gov or in the companies. Stable delivery of 30Mbps is perfectly fine for anything for the next ~10 years for DOMESTIC purposes.
Even though BT has revised down FTTH to £15B, BT still doesn't have the funds to do that with the BT pensions blackhole (left over from the "Glory Days" of public ownership) eating £0.5B every year for the forseeable future.

Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
VM isn't going to tender because that would force OFCOM into making them SMP (even though they really SMP).
Posted by omnius over 5 years ago
"There is no substitute for experience when it comes to fibre deployment and we have more experience than anyone. We are also committed to offering open and equivalent access so that customers can benefit from a competitive market. Local monopolies benefit no-one and no public funds should go to supporting them"

A little swipe at Talk Talk's comments there? LOL
Posted by rtho782 over 5 years ago
Still nothing on what is happening to those of us on EO lines with no cab, who will never ever get FTTC :(
Posted by camieabz over 5 years ago
@GMAN99

You are Sir Michael Rakeand I claim my ten quid!

:)
Posted by fibrebunny over 5 years ago
And what a black hole it is... 626 million at privatisation, from the glory days of public ownership to the glory days of dividends. I wonder if the regret allowing it to spiral quite so recklessly.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Bah... cover is blown ;)
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
@rtho782, that would be FTTH although when is anyones guess. I see a lot of people complaining about their dates going back, I'd love my date to be even on the list to be able to go back!
Posted by rtho782 over 5 years ago
@GMAN99, Everyone talks about FTTH for EO lines, but I have a feeling we are just going to get forgotten, being such a small percentage of users.

I'm close enough to the exchange that I could just use Cat6 and GbE, but nooo...
Posted by jtthedevil over 5 years ago
You only have to look at the rollout in Northern Ireland to see where the UK will go. They will roll out FTTC and crow about their percentages of cover. At the minute, i'd be in their coverage stats, along with everyone in my area, over 100 homes. But while my cab is upgraded, i'm still 6km away and no product available. I would agree with rtho that we will become the forgotten minority.
Posted by jtthedevil over 5 years ago
If it was done fairly, they would have concentrated on low speed areas first and then worked in to areas that already have up to 24mb. As it is there is a very slow uptake from these areas, so the money is being wasted on the 'already haves'. There may be less population in rual and slow/not spots, but I would imagine a damn sight more customers prepared to pay for better connections.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Oh I agree, I would expect bottom of the very long list. Your either going to be in the lucky thousands and get FTTH or as you say forgotten about
Posted by Foggy_UK over 5 years ago
@Mike Galvin, Think you missed a few words off the end of that line... didn't you mean, "No other company is doing as much as Openreach to bring super-fast broadband to areas of the UK which already have LLU and ADSL2+ and sod the rest of you! ???
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Or even better Foggy, "No other company is doing much"
Posted by Saurus over 5 years ago
Not much chance in my lifetime then, Rural Suffolk/Norfolk (or rural anywhere really)in last 20% would be nice if rural areas could get the better ADSL speeds eventually,I still think we should all be paying for only the percentage of the Up-to speed we actually get especially as they are showing no interest whatsoever in upgrading rural areas, comeon Ofcom or whatever you are now called kick some backside!!
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Sounds good in theory Saurus I agree but fraught with problems, regardless of the speed its still the same cost to run/provide your connection as someone who gets a good speed. Plus if an ISP can only charge you say 1/5th of the usual price because of your slow line (not the ISP's fault), who would touch you? Your not worth anything financially to them.
Posted by Somerset over 5 years ago
Saurus - so people with short lines pay a lot more?
Posted by markwl285 over 5 years ago
my exchange was suppose to go live last october then it was january then it was may then i was suppose to be next week and now it is supposed to be next janury. i am relly frustrated with btopenreach pushing the dates back and when i ask them for an explaination they keep say look on their website which say it states that fttc is available. so plese can someone find out and explain what the problem is?
Posted by markwl285 over 5 years ago
by the way my exchange is bridgend
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Appears that Hawking is right Fibrebunny, blackholes can evaporate. May 2011 figures are that it is down to £1.7B which is pretty much the same figure as £626M in todays money. So where will that money go, divs or investment?
Posted by fastman over 5 years ago
Markw -- assume your cab is either not upgraded or has been deferred -- whats your post code
Posted by markwl285 over 5 years ago
fastman-- my postcode is CF31 1YS
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
@jtthedevil:A higher percentage take-up perhaps but I'd rather have 10% of 10,000 than 100% of 1,000 :)
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
Isn't uptake poor? Less than 10% in most areas, including rural.
Posted by AspieMum over 5 years ago
I would like to get something like 5MB that doesn't slow to a dribble at busy times without costing a small fortune. At present I get 1.5MB/1.8MB and it can be as slow as 700 and something KB at peak times (its like we at the end of a very long pipe, 1.9 miles, and we get what's left after everyone else has taken a chunk!). Not being properly rural, even though it is based in a village but its one on the outskirts of a city, but neither is our exchange an urban exchange either, its officially rural, we'll probably get everything last if at all.
Posted by AspieMum over 5 years ago
If we actually all get 2MB I hope that is 2MB even at peak times and 2MB not 1.5/1.8MB round it up to 2MB to cut out the decimal point and ignore peak times.
Posted by jtthedevil over 5 years ago
@AndrewC. Thats the point i'm making, they aren't even getting a 10% uptake. 10000 customers would be the exchange, but off that the cabinets would have a fraction of this, maybe 50-60 cabinets for a reasonalby sized town. Out of that there are a hell of a lot of cabinets within a mile of the exchange.
Posted by jtthedevil over 5 years ago
The perfect example is the cabinet I was and when I moved, still am , connected to. I lived close to the cabinet and was getting 6.5mb on standard sky up to 8mb adsl. I moved to the sticks and down to 0.5mb. The cabinet has been upgraded but i'm still 6km away, as are the over 100 homes in the area. I'm sure the takeup is very small in the development I was in, with good free/low priced internet packages. Probably 200 homes with 5% takeup is 10 homes. The rural area only has to get 10% takeup to match that, and I'm sure the takeup would be much higher.
Posted by damien001 over 5 years ago
but also cost would be much higher its not a fixed price each cabinet will cost a differnt amount. also from a purely money point view why upgrade some where where there no compition from virgin, at the worst you will still be paying bt openreach even if you with the likes of sky or talktalk.

where as if a customer moves to cable bt get nothing. BT first responsibility it to get best return on its investment
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
Posted by GMAN99 4 days ago
She's back again with nonsense. "It is no more fibre broadband than my dial up is." that bit out of the back of the cabinet to the exchange/PoP that is ALL fibre. What is it for your dial up? ALL copper. sigh. The only "copper" element is a few hundred metres if that, slightly less than KILOmetres. Do you read it back before posting?

IF THAT'S TRUE THEN WE ALREADY HAVE FTTC?
fibre to the cabinet, copper to the pole?
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
No, the only cabinets have that fibre to the cabinet are... remarkably FTTC cabinets.

For everyone that has yet to have their cabinet enabled for FTTC its copper all the way from the exchange to the cabinet and then copper from the cabinet to the home:-

exchange -- Xkm of copper --- cabinet Xmetres of copper --- house

For FTTC its:-

exchange -- Xkm of fibre --- cabinet Xmetres of copper --- house
Posted by bernardbrown over 5 years ago
For the UK to say they are at the forefront of technology does make me laugh. In rural Belguim they get 27 MB, in rural Scotland you may get up to 5MB in very isolated places. If I see anything above 5MB just north of Aberdeen be fore I die I will be very surprised. Seems to me that there's too much talk and little work.
Posted by SYM9 over 5 years ago
...we will be engaging with Broadband Delivery UK and local councils to offer our help and expertise...

They forgot to add on the end "...and our inflated invoice...."
Posted by jenkinofewelme over 5 years ago
Ignoring other users, what would be the speed attenuation from exchange > 5 Km to FTTC, then 1Km via aluminium cable to home? We current get up to 7 Mbs (ave. 2 - 3) via 3G+, and are expecting an 18Mbs network early next year and up to 100 Mbs (4G/LTE) the year after. Should I sign up, or wait until some other village resident provides a speed result (currently 500 bps)?
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
bernardbrown who funded the rural Belgium deployments?
Posted by themanstan over 5 years ago
@Bernard

Belgium is a very poor model, after the Netherlands it's the most densely populated country in europe (allowing both to be well served with BB). Belgium has a rural population of ~280k out of 11M, so ~2% vs 20% for the UK. Even rural areas have population centres thorughout, so the infrastructure is better placed for connecting communities. This form of population centres are often absent in the sparsely populated areas of the UK. e.g. Northumberland, lots on the coast very little inland.
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
hang on gmann i remember you shouting at CD that it's not copper from the exchange, contradicting yourself?
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
You must be having trouble reading creaky? CD says "its no more fibre than my dial-up" I go on to say there's no fibre between the exchange and home for dial-up, there's fibre between the exchange and cabinet for FTTC. Not sure how many ways you can explain the same thing really.
Posted by chrysalis over 5 years ago
I see the east midland cities are still been ignored by BT.
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
im not on about this post, it was several threads back, DOYLE was raging that our infrastructure was all copper and someone else was trying to correct him, saying it's not all copper, there's fibre from the exchange to the cab, who ever it was was wrong in your case, you admit that it's is all copper, ill try and track down which post, but it's gonna be trawling looking for the right thread.
Posted by GMAN99 over 5 years ago
Ok, not sure what you are referring to don't break you back to find it :) but its certainly copper to the cab with the exception of cab's that have been enabled for fibre to the cab, even those cabs still have copper at the moment to cater for ADSL and normal phones with no BB
Posted by fastman over 5 years ago
though derby and nottingham were midlands cities when i last looked
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