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TalkTalk fibre broadband boost to go live in May
Tuesday 05 April 2011 11:28:56 by John Hunt

TalkTalk's 'fibre broadband boost' was announced back in January and was expected to go live in April, but this date has now been pushed back to May. Details were a bit sketchy when this was first publicised, as pricing had not been finalised, but this has now been released. Users in enabled areas looking for a speed boost can get an upgrade for £10 a month with a £25 installation fee which includes a modem. It was also expected that a 12-month contact term would be available for this upgrade, but it does instead appear to be 18-months.

The service does of course rely on BT Openreach's fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) roll-out which can deliver download speeds of up to 40 Mbps if you are close to an enabled cabinet, and upstream speeds of 10 Mbps. TalkTalk will be offering a 2Mbps upload speed. TalkTalk will be the second large scale ISP to offer products using the platform and will compete with BT's Infinity products which have been heavily pushed through press and TV adverts. A range of other providers, both business and consumer focused do also offer fibre products, and a list of these can be found in our fibre broadband guide.

Plusnet, who announced their FTTC based broadband products which will go live later in April, will be happy to note that they get to keep their claim of offering the cheapest fibre-to-the-cabinet broadband at £16.49 per month. TalkTalk's fibre boost will come in 50p higher at £16.99, although both prices do of course not include line rental.

Comments

Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
i've goto say (upgrade for £10 a month with a £25 per month installation fee) its a pricey installation cost lol
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
Only 2Mb/s upload? For a lot of people like myself it's the upload speed that is most of the attraction.
Posted by john (Favicon staff member) over 5 years ago
@acpsd775- quite. Bit of a typo there ;-)

@AndrueC- it's possible they may introduce an upload speed boost as well. Shall have to see the complete options when launched.
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@john indeed lol now we just need BT to come and fibre the cabs round here and for sky to start offering it but not be as rip offy as virgin lol then id be a happy bunny lol
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 5 years ago
@John: Who is BT Openreach... don't you mean Openreach? :P

@acpsd775: Interesting, quite willing to complain that Openreach aren't spending money upgrading areas, yet aren't willing to spend more than the bare minimum for the service. I wonder why expansion is slow...
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@TaRkADaHl actually im currently on 50meg with virgin media so i pay plenty switching to sky next week though and im not complaining im simply saying id be happy if it happened not the end of the world if it dont still get 14 meg with sky so not end of the world
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 5 years ago
@acpsd775: I see. And that's another interesting point, people like cyberdoyle can cry till the cows come home about how everyone needs 1Gbps fibre, yet can you think of any time where you have actually genuinely needed 50Mbps or more? The fact that you are switching probably answers that.

FTTC everywhere, minimum speed of 10Mbps is more than enough for the next 5-10 years or so and most just won't need any more.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 5 years ago
The only thing joe average might be interested in is IPTV, and it will take 5-10 years before IPTV really takes off anyway and that will allow time to get get some ROI to re-invest into FTTP installations across the country.
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@TaRkADaHl well in fairness i am a heavy downloaded lol and do take advantage of the 50meg but the main reason i was ever on it was VMs horrid capping system i used to be on there 10meg but spent most of my life on 2meg hence the upgrade to get out of traffic management but as sky dont traffic shape ill be more than happy on there upto 20(bout14) plus its saving me a few bob too having TV with sky i got a triple play offer so took it lol but yes i agree 1Gbps is a little too much for now its hard enough to max 50 out on standard downloads even microsoft servers some times struggle
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
IPTV doesn't need all that much bandwidth at the user's end. Assuming decent encoders 2Mb/s is fine for SD. 10Mb/s for HD.

In fact with the very best encoders and perhaps some manual tweaking you can probably halve those figures.

One of the best HD pictures on Sky is called Luxe and it's been broadcasting at 5Mb/s for years. Admittedly it's only a shopping channel for the rich (prolly intended for Hotel lobbies) so no action and lots of prebroadcasting work but it proves the point.
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
No, the only time IPTV starts to exceed the abilities of BT's FTTC is if you're talking about multiple HD channels being delivered to the same property. Even then most people's connections ought to be able to handle two HD streams with room to spare.

No the real problem with IPTV is at the provider's end. /They/ need a ton of bandwidth and a lot of storage. The stream also has to be fairly low latency and low jitter.
Posted by dustofnations over 5 years ago
@AndrueC; which is where more intelligent multi-cast should come in. Sadly I'm not sure what the status is on the BT network is. There was mention of it a while ago, but nothing since. The later the MC packets are "split" the better.
Posted by otester over 5 years ago
@TaRkADaHl

If most knew how to use torrent/usenet I am sure they would.

@acpsd775

Sky do shape now so out of the frying pan into the fire.

You should have picked a C&W LLU reseller.
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@otester oh brillo lol and there is no C&W LLU at my exchange lol like i said tho ive only gone with sky because of triple play deal tv/phone/BB so BB only works out at 7.50 lol but im sure even if they do do it now there not going to cap me at 2 meg from 4pm-midnight are they lol like VMs 10/30meg used to plus if it is that bad ive got my 30days cool off and can just stay with VM50 and cancel sky off so its not a big worry for me thanks for the head up that they have started though
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
@dustofnations:Yeah, WBC was supposed to include multi-casting. Now if the broadcasting industry could get it's act together (stop giggling at a the back there!) then perhaps YouView could be a catalyst for provider agnostic multi-casting.
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
(correction):Actually it's GEA that was supposed to offer multi-casting - http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/telecoms/policy/gy.pdf

Search for 'multicast'. Only thing concerned me was the provider. Clueless and Witless :-/
Posted by Dixinormous over 5 years ago
Sky do not shape LLU.

Pretty much everyone who wants to can easily learn how to torrent or use Usenet, many however choose to pay for their content. A strange concept I know but it keeps the content being produced.

We may actually get a news article in some way related to bandwidth that otester doesn't pop up on to extol the virtues of copyright theft at some point.
Posted by AndrueC over 5 years ago
@Dix:"We may eventually..."

Yeah, right after multi-casting becomes a standard feature.

:D
Posted by otester over 5 years ago
@acpsd775

That sucks, same position as me then, minus Sky, only got TT LLU via reseller, not much usage allowance, speed is good though.

Why you would ditch VM for Sky I don't know...

If you're one of those people that care about price then there's not much more to say.


@Dixinormous

No they can't though, the learning curve between that and going out and buying the products is a lot higher then you have the ignorant masses laziness.

It is isn't theft, it's copying, hence copy-right.
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@otester well the main reason is because ive got tv with Sky and they offered me a deal and out of this deal ive ended up with Sky TV with 5 mixes with multi room upto 20meg unlimited broadband (about 14meg possible here) and line rental with evening and weekend calls for actualy less than were currently paying for just weekend calls and broadband with virgin and as ive said up this page i dont mind the speed i could cope with 14 meg but i used to have VMs 10 but i spent basically all my internet time on 2 meg which isn't enough in our house iv VM removed there shaping id of stayed with them
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
P.S. its not all about the cost weve been with cable for 15 year which as always cost more than the alternatives out there just that deal was too good to miss
Posted by otester over 5 years ago
@acpsd775

The one thing that would keep me from VM is the AUP/traffic management, ie: can't download between 9am-9pm, LLU might be less speed but at least you can download all hours as much as you want with no protocol shaping.

There is no cable in my area so I don't have the luxury of choice, an AUP/traffic management would still better than 50GB usage limit, however my provider says there will be more TT LLU packages available soon so all is not lost.

You don't need Sky TV unless you're into sports, for reasons I cannot state on here (rules)...
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@otester yes i wouldent of moved if sky wasn't unlimited and hadn't offered me that deal and i dont like sports but there is some other chanels that i watch a lot what virgin dont offer virgin media only offer 180 channels sky offer a hell of a lot more i did used to have virgin tv as well at one point and the oni advantage it had was on demand but with anytime+ sky tv is a lot better for me
Posted by otester over 5 years ago
@acpsd775

If you look you will find alternative places to get media (non-live) which costs nothing (ie: not from TV), I can't go into much more detail (rules).
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@otester yes i no all about them places and do use them lol but there's not only me in the house there's other members too that prefer the goold old fashion way lol and like ive said im getting that bundle for less than currently paying for just broadband and phone so effectively the multi room tv is actually free in comparison haha ultimately though its a joint decision to move
Posted by otester over 5 years ago
@acpsd775

That was the only reason I had Sky at uni, the others :D
Posted by acpsd775 over 5 years ago
@otester lol cant beat the others lol
Posted by cyberdoyle over 5 years ago
dear admin, your 'fibre broadband guide' needs a quick update. One or two facts are out of date since recent announcements. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband.html
Posted by creakycopperline over 5 years ago
just another way to get more money off their customers, bunch of rip off merchants.
they also have the same type of product for their adsl services. bt are giving it all included.
where as this lot are charging extra for the same speed, 2mb paultry offering, they can shove it.
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