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BT Retail to undertake nationwide fibre demand survey
Monday 04 October 2010 00:01:00 by Andrew Ferguson

Following Openreach's launch a month ago of a scheme to allow its ISP customers to nominate exchanges for fibre broadband upgrades, BT Retail has announced it is looking for help from the community at large to help it uncover the areas of highest demand.

BT Infinity (the brand name for the BT Retail fibre products) is now looking to identify the hot-spots where demand for fibre based broadband is greatest. The survey will run until the end of the year and the five exchanges with the most demand will then see fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) or a mix of FTTC and fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) services being made available by early 2012. Demand is defined as a minimum of 1,000 votes, and for exchanges passing this threshold they are then compared on the percentage of premises served. This means that a 5,000 line exchange will stand a reasonable chance against a 10,000 line exchange, but the 1,000 minimum vote level will exclude the smaller exchanges. If the exchange was one that Openreach deems to not be viable, BT Retail has set aside funds to ensure the exchange will get added to the roll-out.


FTTC Diagram

The story for smaller exchanges is not entirely pessimistic as BT are saying that where 75% of premises express an interest in fibre broadband they are happy to engage in discussion. Whether local and/or regional funding would be needed for these smaller exchanges depends greatly on the costs for that exchange; alternatively it may simply be that if BT can see demand is unusually high in a region, it may in the future add the area to its roll-out plans.

There will be concern from some quarters that this high profile campaign could be seen to be promoting BT Infinity as the sole Openreach FTTC-provider whilst many other providers are ready to offer fibre based services via BT Wholesale. The previous demand led ADSL roll-out some eight years ago was ran by BT Wholesale at a time when unbundling was almost unheard of, and was fairly provider agnostic. A list of providers offering fibre broadband packages is available on our site. This campaign may start to ramp the pressure up on the providers like Cable & Wireless, O2, Sky and TalkTalk to start using the Openreach products.

"The Race will map demand for fibre across the UK and so will help to influence BT’s future deployment plans. BT Retail is also committing funds to help enable the five winning exchanges and so there’s an added incentive for people to vote."

Gavin Patterson, chief executive, BT Retail

The various fibre services based around the Openreach products are often criticised over the usage limits they are sold with. Comments on the fact it is possible to use a month's usage allowance in a matter of hours are frequently recounted. While this is true to some extent, at least with providers flagging usage allowances in a clear fashion, it is possible that we won't see a rush to subscribe to more 'unlimited' services as was the case a year or two ago, resulting in progressively heavy traffic management. The lower backhaul costs that the LLU operators can leverage may improve the selection of packages for the small number of users who regularly use more than 100GB in a month. The problem faced by LLU operators is the combination of whether the control offered over the VDSL2 part of the connection by Openreach is sufficient, and enticing a public that is used to pay just £5 to £10 for its broadband into paying £15 to £20 a month.

More information is available on BT's Race to Infinity website.

We have published a Guide to fibre optic broadband which explains how BT and others are delivering faster services through FTTC and FTTH/FTTP solutions, and includes a list of FTTC providers.

Comments

Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Hmm, they have to make sure everyone knows about the site.

I was hoping that they was going to get people to go door knocking and asking them in person. :(
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"the 1,000 minimum vote level will exclude the smaller exchanges. If the exchange was one that Openreach deems to not be viable"

LOL so not worth bothering then... Its still only what they want to do, not really a "vote" system at all. Good smoke and mirrors idea though
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Comments on the fact it is possible to use a month's usage allowance in a matter of hours are frequently recounted. While this is true to some extent, at least with providers flagging usage allowances in a clear fashion, it is possible that we won't see a rush to subscribe to more 'unlimited' services as was the case a year or two ago, resulting in progressively heavy traffic management."

BT infinity is already traffic managed and so are FTTC products from others.
Posted by camieabz over 6 years ago
I've voted. Now all the others on my exchange have to as well. :(
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
Would just like to thank whoever it was that put together the guide bringing it all onto one page with the ISP list.
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Vote" - my arse. Give us your contact details more like. The first thing it asks is "Are you a BT customer?".

This is BT Wholesale we're talking about - not BT Broadband. BTW are obliged to treat all ISPs equally so what possible difference does it make who I pay for my broadband?

Thinkbroadband should look at this again - at least take the "survey" to see exactly what is involved. Perhaps then they'll ask BT Wholesale to explain why they want to know which ISP I use before allowing me to "vote".
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
I don't have any interest in BT Infinity whatsoever. I would be interested in a fibre solution, though. As above - first question is "Are you a BT customer" - what does that have to do with where it gets rolled out? and the second page insists on your landline phone number. Hello... we don't have one thanks to your rubbish network being useless for broadband. I thought that was the point of FTTC.
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
"The race to Infinity?" - honestly, it's just laughable. FTTC has been deployed in half the country for more than a decade now with a substantially more capable "last mile" not made of copper and aliminium. To look at the campaign you'd think this was all something "new".
Posted by maniac886 over 6 years ago
Thanks to whoever created the fibre guide, it's the only guide I have seen so far that lists all the available fibre packages available on the market currently.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@pengipete "This is BT Wholesale we're talking about..." Don't think you're right - second sentence says "BT Retail has announced...", quote is from Gavin Patterson, CEO BT Retail, Infinity is BT Retail product!

@Mark
All very well but who else is currently investing large sums to deploy FTTC, might come to your area?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Oh god...

The crowd moans "My exchange isn't enabled... are you listening BT????"

Survey is launched (about time!)

The crowd moans "Its a survey with a chance to have my exchange enabled, oh... its a BT survey arrrgh its got to be something evil"
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
And yes that's a nice little fibre guide, very handy
Posted by Rackellar over 6 years ago
All well and good but surely the voting system is flawed. If it is based on % of premesis voting on an exchange a smaller exchange with 1001 customers would require far less voters than one where i live with 32,000 on it!
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
@pengipete - "This is BT Wholesale we're talking about - not BT Broadband" This is done by BT retial, an ISP. Not BTW, no idea where you got that idea from.

@MarkHampshire - "I don't have any interest in BT Infinity whatsoever. I would be interested in a fibre solution" Infinity includes FTTH.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
@MarkHampshire - "second page insists on your landline phone number. Hello... we don't have one thanks to your rubbish network being useless for broadband" What are you talking about? Just becuase you can't get broadband it doesn't mean you can't have a phone number.

@MarkHampshire - FTTC has been deployed in half the country for more than a decade now with a substantially more capable "last mile" not made of copper and aliminium." If you are referring to VM, they use Coax, which is copper.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
The coax may just be copper coated steel.

The scheme is about demand in an area, short of setting trigger levels for each exchange its hard to have a voting system
Posted by Dixinormous over 6 years ago
Correct Rackellar though it's somewhat harder to get 1000 out of 1001 to vote for something than 1000 out of 32000 isn't it?

It's in part about cost. More votes likely equals higher penetration which means more customers for Openreach to spread the deployment costs, which will be lower on a small exchange anyway, between.
Posted by mbailey over 6 years ago
BT are still missing the point. It's not just about getting the exchanges converted, its about the local cabinets in the street as well. As we know from BT's earlier roll outs, not all cabinets are being updated when an exchange is upgraded.


Posted by mbailey over 6 years ago
(Opps, hit the post button too soon)

I should add my exchange has FTTC and when I fill in the survey it says "Great you have FTTC" which is true for the exchange, but not my local cabinet.

There is still no way to register interest to get the local cabinets upgraded too.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Why are they missing the point? Its end to end they are asking you your phone number, postcode and house number I'm sure they can work out your cab from those details ;o)
Posted by opticalgirl over 6 years ago
The 1000 votes part of this story is wrong.

The exchange must have at least 1000 premises to be eligible; the five winners are those with the highest percentage of sign-ups, although any exchange with more than 75% signups will be considered for upgrade.

This is a BT Retail campaign, not Openreach, so yes it is promoting the Infinity product.
Posted by rasczak over 6 years ago
mbailey, your situation is covered in the FAQs from the Race to Infinity Page. It says register interest from the normal Infinity checker to help indicate if there is further cabinet demand at already enabled exchanges. Other ISPs offering fibre connections may also allow expressions of interest, I haven't checked.
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
Five exchanges, that's all they are going to add from this 'race'. Seems pointless to me!
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
Depends if you're on one of the five!

I assume this ties in to the initiative anounced by Openreach previously to allow service providers to steer the future FTTC deployment programme, seems like a very fair way for BT Retail to determine areeas to prioritise.
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
Is this a nightmare ? The entire nation (possibly excepting NI http://www.fasterbroadbandni.com/) is to vote to enable some PCP cabinets in only 5 more exchanges still using the existing copper and aluminium twisted pairs of up to about 4 km length and down to 0.32 mm diameter wires.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
No matter what a company does, there are always those that still complain...

They are spending £2.5 Billion of their own cash, phhf, so what.

People need to get a grip.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
I guess they could simply not bother, and do the exchange areas they see fit to do.

Very rare for people to see anything positive these days, is the world that bad?
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
"...Is the world that bad?" The world isn't that bad, just broadband availability.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
No its just the same people moaning to be honest.

Its a promise of 5 exchanges for now yes, so do you think they'll just throw the results in the bin afterwards? Doing this will give them a feel for what is needed where, I would expect that it will give them what they need to plan the next 5/10/20 exchanges after that, its not a fruitless... man... if you don't want to vote don't I think its a good idea at least your given an opportunity
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
timmay so why not vote then and try to get your exchange enabled instead of moaning?
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
I can't, because I don't have a telephone service, as I have no need of one. I'd like broadband however.
Posted by russianmonkey over 6 years ago
Maybe what could happen is the profit that BT makes from their current FTTx rollout could then be ploughed into taking areas from FTTC>FTTH or providing FTTx in the 'final third'.

At least if I was in charge of BT, that's what I'd do.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
russian, sounds good although I would expect it will be quite a while before they turn a profit on this current rollout, they might be investing billions over a few years but I wouldn't expect them to get that back in a few years.
Posted by seb (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
@MarkHampshire: The guide was mostly written by John although I edited it and added diagrams.. but the grunt work was all his.. and very nice it is too :)
Posted by seb (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
@pengipete: This particular campaign is a BT Retail one. They will feed into into the wholesale one run by Openreach but they have some additional funds available too. Other providers are free to do the same.
Posted by docmel53 over 6 years ago
and still the small rural exchange gets ignored - have to be at least 1000 registrations before they can be looked at
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
@GMAN99 my exchange is being enabled, although won't know for a while if my cab is. But that's just one exchange in a sea of neglected ones. I've voted for my parents exchange but little point as FTTH might be connected later this year if not further delayed for way leaves, supplies and the weather.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Good for you! Even better for your parents if they end up with FTTH!!! Very lucky indeed.

@docmel53 its nothing new I'm afraid the small exchanges aren't commercially viable so there's probably no point including them. Maybe 1000 is the price point for it to become viable
Posted by docmel53 over 6 years ago
GMAN - guess thats where the smaller ops like vtesse, kijoma and Rutland make their money then, presuming they have smaller overheads
Posted by CJT-80 over 6 years ago
Voted for my local exchange because even if I don't take up Infinity it would be good to have a chance to have an FTTx service on my exchange. I currently use BT (Which is OK) but I'd prefer to go with O2 or someone simmilar.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@timmay "The world isn't that bad, just broadband availability" Compared to what? Broadband availability levels in the UK are one of the best in Europe according to the EU.

@WalterWillcox "Is this a nightmare? The entire nation ...is to vote to enable some PCP cabinets in only 5 more exchanges"
Remember this is on top of those already committed to by Openreach, including the 159 last Wednesday and however many are included in the Cornwall announcement on Thursday! Hardly a nightmare?
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Posted by seb

@pengipete: This particular campaign is a BT Retail one. <snip> Other providers are free to do the same."

Not in a Market 1 area where BT hold the monopoly. I live in the Forest of Dean and BT have already stated that they will not upgrade any exchanges in the region and no other company is allowed to intsall lines or equipment.

The most I can do is pay another ISP but as they are charged high-rates by BT it still costs over £20 a month for 0.5 to 1.5Mbps.
Posted by Dixinormous over 6 years ago
That is nothing to do with it. BT Retail are not the only ISP available in market 1 areas any ISP can do this nomination scheme.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
@pengipete - Monopoly?!? You are kidding me right?

Market 1 means that Ofcom dictates the pricing, and no one else is willing to install their own equipment, its not that BTW won't allow them to. Its just that there aint enough folk to justify the cost of putting in LLU.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
One LLU provider is approaching 85% household coverage.

Whoever told you pengipete that BT would not allow others to install was telling porkies. There are a few literally 6ft x 6ft exchanges where the cost of building the extension would push price very high to unbundle.

On price up to 8Meg can be had for £12.99 a month, line speed will depend on your proximity to the telephone exchange.
Posted by Brad_F over 6 years ago
Can't wait for this to come to my area. I'm with LLU provider who say they cannot offer FTTC so I will have to switch to anotehr provider who uses BT wholesale.
Brad
http://www.fttcbroadband.co.uk
Posted by TheGuv over 6 years ago
Great idea - but I would rather they gave a guarantee based on voting numbers.

To those that moaned about giving details - there is the standard "tick this" to avoid BT contacting you.
Posted by otester over 6 years ago
Exchanges with just BT Wholesale will get nothing, VM areas first then LLU next, maybe areas served by high speed wireless next.
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
Do you know that for a fact otester?

I know some1 in brentwood that has fttc, and according to them virgin are not in that area. quite a lot of llu though. but to already have been covered by FTTC and no virgin afaik makes your point, well pointless
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
Posted by WalterWillcox about 6 hours ago
Is this a nightmare ? The entire nation (possibly excepting NI http://www.fasterbroadbandni.com/) is to vote to enable some PCP cabinets in only 5 more exchanges still using the existing copper and aluminium twisted pairs of up to about 4 km length and down to 0.32 mm diameter wires.

????????????????

using up to 4km of 0.32 mm wires with FTTC

only really the smaller exchanges out in the sticks with 4km pairs from cabinet, and eve if it was the case, it would still work better on vdsl2 rather than adsl/adsl2
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
or have you misunderstood how FTTC works and think pair length from exchange to cabinet has an effect on FTTC?
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) about .

On price up to 8Meg can be had for £12.99 a month, line speed will depend on your proximity to the telephone exchange."

..and "upto" 20M+ can be had for a lot less where exchanges are LLU'd.

It still leaves my original question unanswered - if this is purely about demand for faster broadband, why is BT asking is we are BT customers at the top of the "survey"?

Are we really supposed to believe that BT don't know which regions or locales most need investment and is it really necessary to run a promo - sorry, survey - before starting work?
Posted by dilus over 6 years ago
Have just cast my vote in a village with 728 customers, do not qualify unless over 1000. Need 75% of the community to show an interest, so no chance of that :( I am officially the first and probably only vote and have got our percentage up to 0.14% LOL
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
Areas with slow average speeds doesn't necessarily mean people want faster broadband.

This is btr the isp running this, so is this not the program that was announced recently where any isp could nominate exchanges to go Fttc at their own cost it they don't get a set amount of customers. Surely its right for them to get en idea if its worthwhile investing
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
Yes a survey for faster broadband.

Why BT question. Presume as they can cross reference if you are a customer, and means they can target marketing activity appropriately - notice the marketing checkbox.

BT Openreach will have a pretty good idea based on existing broadband take-up. Are you happy if they continue that way, or would you like a chance to have some degree of input?
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4367-openreach-to-trial-nomination-of-exchanges-for-fibre-enablement.html
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
At the end of the day, both companies and customers are not willing to pay for ftth/p so its either go to cable, stay with ADSL or have Fttc. For the majority of the population Fttc will do fine. In the past year it has gone from 40% coverage by 2012. To 66% by 2015, and with this project and the Cornell project and who knows what else us to announced coverage is only going to go up, not down.
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Posted by andrew
BT Openreach will have a pretty good idea based on existing broadband take-up. Are you happy if they continue that way, or would you like a chance to have some degree of input?"

I'd rather they didn't sit on that money for the next few months and I'd rather they spent it where it is needed today - not use it to fund a publicity stunt.

Out of interest, is there going to be any indepedent scrutiny of this lottery or will we just have to accept BT's word when they announce the result?

Forgive me for being cynical but BT haven't exactly earned our trust in recent years.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@Pengipete
Based on your comments, I think you're confusing the roles of Openreach and BT Retail.

I can't see any problem with BT Retail runing thi ssurvey, and using it to inform their view of where to ask for FTTC. Not a case of diverting money from FTTC/P deployment, as that is funded by Openreach and not BT Retail.
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
They're not using the results to "ask for FTTC" - they've said that they WILL provide FTTC to the winners and THEY will fund it.

If they have that money and that capability, the question still stands - why are they sitting on it?
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
But what is wrong with a service provider asking for input from its customers before deciding where to invest money? Most businesses would regard that as common sense!
Posted by c_j_ over 6 years ago
"Other providers are free to do the same."

Are they?

The tories today announced that they'd dropped their manifesto pledge to sort the fibre tax which generally made it financial suicide for a BT competitor to install their own fibre. So yes, other competitors are free to burn money if they wish. Just like H20 are/were?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/bt-broadband
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
To c_j:

We ran news at start of Sept 2010, 24 exchanges in total. So 5 with BT Retail, and the other providers selling FTTC can have their lot too.

Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
pengipete:

Scrutiny - well you can view the votes coming in on the map every day, or consume the RSS feed and verify it.

Also if a campaigner knew they have 6000 votes, but only 4000 showed up I'm sure they'd be on the case.
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
what should happen, but won't because of eu rubbish and the fact government is skint.

openreach should be renationalised, fttc provided everywhere, fttp to newbuilds.

without virgin it would be easier, but eu wouldn't allow it
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
Looking at what has happened in history before, surely if we created a monopoly fibre local loop firm - which is what a renationalised openreach with fibre everywhere would be. Then the tendency would be for it to increase prices at a rate that people would not like, or provide worse service than now.

Change can be for the good, but change does not automatically equal better.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Once again the desperate cries of BT supporting from certain staff and the regular bunch of users is very funny... The story From ISPREVIEW, THE HONEST AND FACTUAL SITE......
QUOTE"UPDATE 12:49pm
Forgot to mention that at least 1,000 premises in any given area with 75% expressing interest will be in with the chance of an upgrade. Some ISPs, such as Rutland Telecom and Fibrestream UK, have been able to upgrade areas with just 40 premises expressing an interest. That, my dear government, is part of the reason why smaller ISPs deserve a level playfield."
Opps, and.....
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
QUOTE"BT's scheme probably cannot help most of the rural deprived or remote communities, except perhaps an unexpectedly lucky few. So what's new?
UPDATE 2:36pm
Hopefully BT will update the website at some point to offer a lite HTML or FLASH version option since, as they appear to have forgotten, those in areas with only slow broadband or dialup access cannot access and load the site because of its rich media content. On a dialup link you have to wait quite awhile before it's possible to proceed."
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Oh dear even bigger opps, if you cant get broadband already you can have a hard time even loading the site to vote... Bwahahaha, typical of the idiots named BT.

The desperate supporting whines and personal abuse at me may now be entered below.

Thank god there are still honest broadband comparisson sites that tell it how it is and dont allow shareholders to lie in their comments.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Good job the ASA continue to listen to my complaints about BT.... A poster with their so called advertising was removed without challenge this week (it only had a few complaints)...... One more upheld complaint this year and its big fine time for them. Hopefully that next upheld complaint will either be this nonsense or their pathetic multi lie of a Fibre advert. UPTO £500,000 i believe the figure can be.... People with financial ties to them run now, im gonna continue the reporting in 2011 also LOL
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Posted by New_Londoner about 3 hours ago
But what is wrong with a service provider asking for input from its customers before deciding where to invest money?"

The idea that BT don't already know which areas have the worst problems - either accessing the internet or getting usable speeds - is ridiculous in the extreme.

We're not talking about colour schemes or favourite yoghurt flavours here - we're talking about an increasingly vital utility.

Sitting on this money or holding back on roll-outs until this game is over is not really helping customers.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@Pengipete "The idea that BT don't already know which areas have the worst problems - either accessing the internet or getting usable speeds - is ridiculous in the extreme"

But surely this is about finding those areas where the highest % of people are interested and register, which is nothing to do with "which areas have the worst problems".
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
"...if you cant get broadband already you can have a hard time even loading the site to vote..."

Luckily that only applies to 0.4% of the population, so not exactlty a major problem.


"Some ISPs, such as Rutland Telecom and Fibrestream UK, have been able to upgrade areas with just 40 premises expressing an interest."

And neither example given is about upgrading a whole exchange is it? So not really a relevant comparison at all.
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
"Posted by New_Londoner

But surely this is about finding those areas where the highest % of people are interested and register, which is nothing to do with which areas have the worst problems"

Many years ago, a company that made packet cake mixes discovered that removing the powdered egg and getting people to add their own eggs to the mix increased sales.

It had nothing to do with taste or cost. It was a simple trick to make people feel that they were really baking and the company didn't have to pay for dried egg.

It's just a marketing gimmick.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
"It's just a marketing gimmick. "

I suspect the people in the five areas that are selected may not agree, but let's see when teh result are announced, presumably next January.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
"The idea that BT don't already know which areas have the worst problems - either accessing the internet or getting usable speeds - is ridiculous in the extreme" - And who said it was about that? Its about interest in the new BT Infinity Product, that's it. And why are they sitting/holding back money? There isn't enough of their own money to spend upgrading all of the exchanges which they have made clear, so wise spending is crucial, would you rather they upgrade 20 exchanges that have no interest and leave out 20 that do?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
As a matter of fact we have mentioned the 1000 line miniumum requirement, also mentioning this will exclude exchanges under that size from winning.

We have covered Fibrestream, H2O and Rutland Telecom in the news, as they announce new areas we will continue to cover them.

Removal of fibre tax is one good move (alas government going back on it) removal of Openreach to create a new replacement, not sure how this helps small teleco's. Better to keep Openreach and help competition.
Posted by SheepFarmer over 6 years ago
Our exchange has only 1,700 lines so the chances of hitting the 1,000 line level are slim. I've registered my two lines anyway, but I still seem to be the only person on my exchange to have seen this site.
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
Gavin Patterson (BT Retail) also seems to be confusing the roles of Openreach and BT Retail. Re-read his quote in the original article carefully - where is Openreach mentioned? Of course, that blurring is entirely intentional.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@Mark - this quote?
"The Race will map demand for fibre across the UK and so will help to influence BT’s future deployment plans. BT Retail is also committing funds to help enable the five winning exchanges and so there’s an added incentive for people to vote."

No mention of Openreach in this as far as I can see? Does mention BT Retail quite clearly.
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
Allow me to fix the quote...

"The Race will map demand for fibre across the UK and so will help to influence Openreach’s future deployment plans. BT Retail is also committing funds to help enable the five winning exchanges and so there’s an added incentive for people to vote."
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@Mark
Doesn't mention Openreach in the quote in the story. I assume from your post above that you're inferring that BT Retail will want to influence Openreach in future, based on the results of the survey?

Seems reasonable that they, and all other ISPs offering FTTC/P, will want to influence Openreach to suit the demands of their customers. Not sure this shows confusion of roles though as per your ealrier post.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
@Andrew, didnt quite mention things in the same way as ISP Review, did you? Missed mentioning its a useless site for those still suffering very slow speed also.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
@ MarkHampshire very good point and yep how you reworded is exactly what is happening. Openreach are supposed to be a seperate entity according to ofcom rules. Try to just ignore the regular defending tools who will one minute tell you they are BT retail and Openreach are seperate companies, the next say its fine for them to dim in each others pockets.
Posted by seb (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
This isn't a private conversation thread people..
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
@SheepFarmer, same here only 6 votes for my exchange so far. Might consider leaflet drops through letter boxes if it doesn't pick up... I don't care if they want it or not.. I do :)
Posted by docmel53 over 6 years ago
@gaman99 - how do I find out how many votes my exchange has? - you say you have had 6 votes for your - how do you know?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Just whack you post code back in the site and go to the map and it will tell you

"6 votes have been cast out of a total of 8,795"

Its gonna be a long wait... :)

Posted by dilus over 6 years ago
Day 2 and I'm still the only vote in my village lol
Don't know about leaflet drops GMAN99 I might try lighting a fire and sending smoke signals, could be quicker than some ISP's :)
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Come December I'll be out with a megaphone in the car ;)
Posted by SheepFarmer over 6 years ago
Still 2 out of a total of 1,706 here. I don't think fibre is going to come here soon even though we're surrounded by fibre enabled (or to be enabled) exchanges.
Posted by themanstan over 6 years ago
Apparently Openreach will announce the next batch of exchanges in December... lets see how this plays out with BT Retails 5 exchange roll-out...
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
Re-read the description at the top of the page.

BT Retail are only going to pay IF any of the top five are deemed "not viable" by OpenReach.

What it doesn't say is that there will necessarily be any EXTRA connections. If the top five on BT retail's list are already earmarked by OpenReach and would be connected by 2012 anyway, that's all you get and it costs BT Retail nothing.

That doesn't mean BT Retail won't claim the glory - just that we won't know if BT Retail and OpenReach have any sort of "agreement" over naming the 2012 rollout.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
What does it matter? Is just a vote, your not paying to enter its not the lottery, if you don't want to take part don't :)
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
LOL I am voter #4 on my exchange with 0.02% voted. Haha so FTTC by 2050 then.
Posted by otester over 6 years ago
@CaptainHulaHoop

Not strictly like how I said, but pretty much.
Posted by themanstan over 6 years ago
You based on the numbers of votes I'm seeing, the general populace aren't really that bothered. There may be a a lot of moaning, but even the minimal effort of voting for this 5 exchange thingy is beyond people. The normal situation for most campaigns where people are really interested is a huge amount of voting tailing off... this isn't what we're seeing.
Posted by themanstan over 6 years ago
Ignore the "you" at the beginning... it infiltrated the post from an email i was writing in parallel.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
theman, I think the problem is... no-one knows about the race
Posted by pengipete over 6 years ago
Perhaps this is the real story behind this promo...

"Ofcom has required BT to allow competitors control of its fibre cables in a move designed to promote the take-up of superfast broadband services.

The regulator has also told BT that it must give rival ISPs access to its underground ducts and telegraph poles to build their own fibre networks"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11491528

The timing is certainly interesting.
Posted by dilus over 6 years ago
"Race To Infinity"!
Still the only vote in my village, think everyone must have Delhi Belly and have been in bed for the last week.
Could be why I hit 7.2 meg on an 8meg line the other night, no one else is using the exchange :) Happy days.
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