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BT and EU invest £132m to bring super-fast broadband to Cornwall
Thursday 30 September 2010 11:33:33 by John Hunt

A new £132 million investment to deliver fibre-broadband to Cornwall has been announced today which will see between 80% and 90% of homes and businesses connected by 2014 to super-fast broadband. The remaining 10-20% of properties are to get access to faster broadband by other means such as Satellite or Wireless.

This 'final-third' project (final-third areas are those deemed unviable for free-market next-generaton rollout by operators on commercial grounds) includes investment of £78.5 million from BT in delivering the service whilst £53.5 million will come from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF), and will be the largest European-funded investment in rural broadband. The ERDF funding equates to roughly £100 per head in the region. The Isles of Scilly are also to be included in the roll-out programme which will be targeted based on demand.

Around half of homes and businesses are expected to receive full fibre-to-the-home / fibre-to-the-premises (FTTH/FTTP) which will deliver download speeds of up to 100 Mbps. This involves laying fibre optic cables from the telephone exchange all the way to the home to deliver the best available broadband. The remaining properties will be connected using fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) technology which deploys fibre to street-side cabinets where VDSL2 equipment is located which connects to the customers phone line. FTTC only offers up to 40Mbps but this is expected to increase in the future to 60Mbps.

"[This will] transform the local economy over the next 20 years. Local businesses will be given an all important head start through early access to world-class communications and this will dramatically increase their competitiveness."

"The high speeds on offer will attract new business investment into Cornwall, creating thousands of new job opportunities."

Alec Robertson, Cornwall Council Leader

The hope of such a deployment is that if take-up within this final-third region is good, BT may be enticed to perform similar roll-outs in other areas. The large percentage (50%) to receive full FTTH/FTTP is also encouraging as this provides a future proof solution which can be upgraded to faster speeds such as 1Gbps easily. Of BT's current £2.5 billion investment in fibre broadband across the UK, only around 17% are expected to receive FTTH/FTTP.

More information will be available on the roll-out via the Cornwall Development Company.

Comments

Posted by MaddogBattie over 6 years ago
And there was me being rude about there being no announcements about FTTC in Cornwall. It will be interesting to see how long this takes and if it is actually useful to the many people in Cornwall who live out in the sticks. I live in a hamlet of around 30 houses but our cabinet is still a mile away. Our speeds will improve - sure, but I guess we will be lucky to get 8Mb.
Posted by john (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
Opeanreach says FTTC gives a minimum sync speed of 15Mbps. If FTTC won't do that you might be one of the lucky ones to get FTTH :-)
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Lucky Sods! :D
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
"The remaining 10-20% of properties are to get access to faster broadband by other means such as Satellite or Wireless."

Or what's in the quote above...
Posted by MaddogBattie over 6 years ago
15Mb minimum huh? That will be cool. Where do I sign up?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 6 years ago
Impression given talking to Ian Livingstone and Cornish Council people is that if there are clusters of premises then solutions other than satellite are likely. Satellite for the most remote, locations where nothing else is feasible.

Rollout plan to be finalised, but first connections by Spring 2011
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
Very nice - so far so good BT.

The cost is intriguing. Based purely on back of envelope (or should that be out of posterior) figures:

86 counties in UK = £11.3b for 50% FTTP. 100% FTTP = £23b. That leaves a gap of £6b to get to their £29b estimate. Does that sound reasonable?
Posted by Rocklett over 6 years ago
Current FTTC (VDSL2) is 15Mbps to 40Mbps but BT Openreach have said they will launch a lower speed FTTC product at some point in the future.

It is great to see that true fibre FTTP will be rolled out to 50% of premises (which will meet the stipulated minimum 30Mbps from the new EC 'recommendation').

Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Surely if there was ever an article where people can't moan BT its this one?

78mill upfront from BT? If it snowed in Cornwall today they'd think it was Christmas!
Posted by KarlAustin over 6 years ago
Fibre all the way from the exchange to each property - I thought BT favoured GPON? In which case it'll be a fibre to each 32-64 houses then passively split and TDM employed on the CPE.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Waits for EU to change its mind as always and then laugh....
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
@CB - Again with the negativity...
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Why laugh? Would you be pleased if this did not go ahead?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
In his fantasy world he dreams the EU pulls out and BT has to stick to its word and put in the EU cash itself, its not hard to see how his mind works.
Posted by geoff-ellis over 6 years ago
The Cornish must me gnuts, think of all them city type arsoles that'll be moving is. Then there's the holiday cottage vermin, they'll be able to stay all summer now :)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
BT bots dunno why you are attacking me i didnt even mention anything negative about BT.
Posted by spetznaz over 6 years ago
Why should Cornwall get this and not other counties?, if it can be done in a county with such a low population density why not everywhere?, this should have been sorted out years ago.

Posted by cajef over 6 years ago
Mr Livingstone has just been on the local TV giving us all in Cornwall the good news, will be looking forward to my 100Mbps connection, though wonder how much I am going to have to pay for it,
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
I agree with spetznaz, why can't the other counties get it?
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cajef, i'd pay like £60-70 minimum for 100Mbps connection. Damn BT!
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
My feral relatives will be able to do nothing faster now:D
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
@ spetznaz, Cornwall still qualifies for development aid from the EU due to its relative poverty, hence the amount of money recieved.
Posted by spetznaz over 6 years ago
Well if it is so poverty striken how will the people be able to afford to take it up?, maybe they could tax rich people in Wiltshire like me to pay for it.....



Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
That's a very good point spetznaz!
Posted by rtho782 over 6 years ago
How very socialistic.

The "unprofitable final third" now gets a much stronger FTTP/H rollout than anywhere else in the country, subsidised by all of us.

Meanwhile, as I live in the "middle third", I don't get FTTanything.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
ahh rtho782, the famous FTTA, supposed to be good that you know... :P
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Reminds me of the scene in Oliver Twist...
Bothersome Twist holding out the bowl and saying to the nasty overseer known as the EU "Please Sir, can i have some more?" Not really news just a repeat of a long running thing.
Posted by Matt197 over 6 years ago
I find it funny how everyone is getting so upset, we are always the last to get things like this so it makes a change for us to get it first rather than places like London.

And Cornwall is not in poverty, far from it. Think some people need to get a grip.
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
@ Matt it's relative to the EU average income per capita ao I understand. I grew up in Cornwall and escaped when I went to work as a chemist nr London. There are large pockets of endemic poverty, mostly amongst the local population. The real Cornish people now are mostly relegated to council estates as the income to house price ratio keeps house purchases unaffordable. Those that have any intelligence get out, sad really.
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
A Spetznaz your already halfway to cornwall, having lived in both Wilts and Cornwall, I'd say move down, it's a muchmore attractive place to live, and it will soon have better infrastructure. Don't feel bitter.
Posted by cajef over 6 years ago
njalondon, although not Cornish I have lived and worked in Cornwall for many years and have to say I cannot see 'large pockets of endemic poverty', it is no worse than any other county or inner city in the UK. I have children who were born here with many Cornish friends they went to school with none of whom live on council estates, to say 'those that have any intelligence get out' is both negative and derogatory.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@CB
You omitted to note that, in an interesting development from the original story, MasterTwist was in this case required to compete openly with his peers for the right to ask the overseer, had to bring his own bowl + cutlery, and also provide the majority of the gruel!
Posted by bobbleoff over 6 years ago
Considering all the transatlantic fibres come ashore and terminate in the South West there are no shortage of big PoPs there. If they need so much EU money for a region which already has the infrastructure what hope is there for other rural areas?
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
@bo - what infrastructure? There will probably be no POPs there, cables will go to London data centres etc.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"@CB
You omitted to note that, in an interesting development from the original story, MasterTwist was in this case required to compete openly with his peers for the right to ask the overseer, had to bring his own bowl + cutlery, and also provide the majority of the gruel!"
LMAO someone needs to go read Oliver Twist to realise the balls up there LOL
Posted by ididnt over 6 years ago
most exciting thing about this to me:

As an end user customer, do I need to buy my superfast broadband service from BT?
No. Other service providers will have access to the new network, and will be offering services to customers.

i would gladly pay £100/month for 100mb up/down from easynet/enta/whoever =)

landing point for the transatlantic fibre is goonhilly satellite station btw, it's then routed to london by BT on behalf of the other telcos.
Posted by dch3dwj over 6 years ago
This will provide a really interesting insight into the economics of NGA. Cornwall represents probably the most challenging county in England for NGA - low population density and a crinkly coast line (i.e. there are a lot of communities on spits of land sticking out to sea).

The economic unknowns of NGA, especially in rural communities, represent a real sticking point to further investment. It'll also assess satellite as a solution for remote rural locations. BT should be congratulated but also arm twisted to make the economic data available.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
ididnt - there are many fibres landing in the UK and have nothing to do with this project or BT.
Posted by brugie over 6 years ago
It is about time Cornwall gets ahead of the rest of the country, we always tend to be last in the queue.
Loooking forwatd to my 18Mb connection connecting at 100 !
Posted by cyberdoyle over 6 years ago
ididnt, you will be buying it from bt. they own the infrastructure and charge your isp as much as they feel like. Its a monopoly, despite what gov and ofcom think, or all the spouting about open access. I also think its a scandal that public money should be used for anything other than fibre, so if they use any for crap BET it wants exposing. FTTC is bad enough, but I am assured it is upgradable to proper FTTH - unlike BET which is a total scam. Protecting the copper cabal.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
cd - just like the gas and electric monopoly!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Nothing like the gas and electric companies, they have better regulation then the cack job ofcom does and the gocernment did at one stage step in over gas and electricity pricing.

BT on the other hand want to babble on in adverts about how they are investing up and down the country...... Yeah they are with other peoples cash LOL
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Why dont BT just get some mange ridden dogs, 3 string guitars, old sheets and cardboard signs and just stand outside a tube station...... Hey atleast it would make them bring back some jobs to the UK :D
Cheaper than long meetings begging local authority and the EU also.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Would the shareholders be happy investing in puppies and musical talent though i wonder?
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
cb - where is the phase 6 investment coming from?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
So it didn't take too long for a great bit of news for Cornwall to turn into a BT hate fest as usual.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
And how have BT gone begging to local authority and the EU? The Cornish Council and Development company are running this and sourcing the money with BT providing the infrastructure and own money.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
@cyberdoyle FTTC is bad enough? This is coming from someone who shares a tinpot 2Mb wi-fi service with the rest of the village? You'd give your left arm for FTTC surely?

I get an "ok ish" ADSL service in terms of speed and I'd love FTTC
Posted by Dixinormous over 6 years ago
Amusing cyberdoyle complaining about FTTC and the BT monopoly while cheerleading other non-BT FTTC projects which are total monopolies, absolutely no choice of operator at wholesale or retail level.

In any event this is a good thing for Cornwall. Some areas will be better covered than London, which is nice from their point of view for sure.
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
@Dix:Yeah, it's a larf innit?

We get great news for the Cornish and all the resident rain parade gang can do is find fault and complain.

I bet if BT announced a national FTTP roll-out CB would find something to complain about. CD might possibly be persuaded to be upbeat about that I suppose.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Naa its still BT, CD would be happy if Rutland rolled out FTTP everywhere which would lock out everyone and be a nightmare
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"I bet if BT announced a national FTTP roll-out CB would find something to complain about."

If my taxes or personal money had to fund BT pockets to do it then yes i would.
BT as far as i care can roll out whatever services they wish at whatever speed, but if they want to do it let them use their own cash. NOBODY else has (examples Virgin, Rutland etc) been given millions to roll out NEW services to areas, have they? I thought this so called new generation of broadband was going to be funded fairly for all?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Naa its still BT, CD would be happy if Rutland rolled out FTTP everywhere which would lock out everyone and be a nightmare"

How would them rolling out everywhere lock everyone out? BT can still spend their own money to supply services if they wished.... That is what you keep saying about other companies like Virgin isnt it?
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Haven't Rutland had backing from locals in some areas? However they are a single supplier and eg. their customers can't have their broadband provided by Rutland (or VM) as part of the Sky bundle. This is a key point, funding has to be for wholesale solutions. Is there anything wrong with that?

VM, like BT, is only self funding expansion into areas commercially viable.

Where companies have received funding it's presumably under carefully composed commercial agreements.

'funded fairly for all' surely means for customers, not suppliers. People want to choose ISPs.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
CB, Rutland deliveries are for Rutland only and no-one else, same as Virgin neither supply wholesale services. So if Rutland or Virgin supply the fibre your choice is Rutland or Virgin. If BT supply it any ISP can use it.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
And that ^ will be the reason BT was chosen for this project, even if Rutland could stump up the same cash all of Cornwall under this new solution would have one ISP to choose from.. Rutland which obviously doesn't make any sense.

You can moan all you want (and you will) but I don't believe there is any other infrastructure provider that can provide this and make it available to other ISP's at a wholesale level.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
I think the comments about only BT getting state funding ignore two things:

1. Cornwall was an open tender, several companies responded and BT won the bid - and are investing nearly £80m of their money, rather more than the total from the EU.

2. Companies like Rutland have certainly competed for public funds - remember Erbistock anyone?

So the moans boil down to other companies not putting in the best bids? Thats called the free market people!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Haven't Rutland had backing from locals in some areas?"

Yep by choice and only those that wanted it funded it.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"CB, Rutland deliveries are for Rutland only and no-one else, same as Virgin neither supply wholesale services. So if Rutland or Virgin supply the fibre your choice is Rutland or Virgin. If BT supply it any ISP can use it."
What does that have to do with what i said... Rutland in theory could roll out to the entire uk and so could BT.......
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
I can choose between Virgin and BT services in my area, if Rutland were in my area also i could choose them also.
So i fail to understand your "Naa its still BT, CD would be happy if Rutland rolled out FTTP everywhere which would lock out everyone and be a nightmare" comment Rutland wouldnt lock anyone out, BT could deploy also couldnt they?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
You asked why if Rutland did the rollout others would be locked out, I've just told you they can't offer a wholesale service. The fibre Rutland put in would be for use of Rutland only, no other ISP's could use it which is a poor choice of "one" for the customer, they (Cornwall) will only get this chance to spend this money once.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
"Yep by choice and only those that wanted it funded it. " - <Laughs> Are you sure about that? So Rutland came along and offered to fund the whole solution and the customer said "No no, put your money away we'll get partial funding"
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
cb - with BT providing the connectivity you can choose from many ISPs. Not so with VM and Rutland who do not wholesale.
Posted by themanstan over 6 years ago
@AndrueC

Didn't the original figure become redundant when BT said it was using existing ducting where possible. Hence the doubling in the number of connections of FTTH announced several months ago and the back of the envelope numbers become appearing quite reasonable now?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"You asked why if Rutland did the rollout others would be locked out, I've just told you they can't offer a wholesale service. The fibre Rutland put in would be for use of Rutland only, no other ISP's could use it which is a poor choice of "one" for the customer, they (Cornwall) will only get this chance to spend this money once."

SO it wouldnt lock out anyone, no different to the situation we have here right now.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Yep by choice and only those that wanted it funded it. " - <Laughs> Are you sure about that? So Rutland came along and offered to fund the whole solution and the customer said "No no, put your money away we'll get partial funding"

I submit Erbistock as evidence, the villages choice, they wanted Rutland, they funded it. Told BT and what they had to offer to go shove it right up their .... Its a shame the rest of the country cant say the same, especially the borough of Swale who BT have alread had tax payers money, even though not everyone in that area may have wanted to line BT pockets.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"cb - with BT providing the connectivity you can choose from many ISPs. Not so with VM and Rutland who do not wholesale. "

How does that equate to quote "if Rutland rolled out FTTP everywhere which would lock out everyone and be a nightmare"?

It doesnt, If i had the money and delivered fibre to the whole country im not locking anyone out, BT or anyone else is still free to install their own services if they wish.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
"the villages choice, they wanted Rutland, they funded it."

Actually THEY didn't fund it - if you read the story, they were using grants from the Welsh Assembly.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
CB what you are proposing is obvious nonsense, no provider can afford to rollout out fibre to the whole of the country on their own, now you are suggesting multiple providers would rollout fibre to properties just for the sake of your argument knowing its nonsense.

And no you didn't answer my Q on Rutland you stated Rutland put 100% of the money up and they got knocked back. Show me...
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
cb - if you fibred an area could I use Talktalk as an ISP through your fibre? BT FTTC is for the use of all ISPs.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
"cb - if you fibred an area could I use Talktalk as an ISP through your fibre?" - No his wonderful example is that you should lay your own, one per ISP.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"CB what you are proposing is obvious nonsense, no provider can afford to rollout out fibre to the whole of the country on their own...."

Why did you use an example of Rutland doing so and locking others out then?? Destroyed your own sarcastic comment there didnt you?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"....... BT FTTC is for the use of all ISPs. "

LOL thats not what an advert from BT said and got removed last week... Bwahahaha
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
You regular posse can keep defending all you please, keep questioning me all you please, ive told you all more than once i report their lies to the appropriate people and get them punished. Oh how you must all hate me, BT keep wasting the shareholders cash on glossy ads, i help keep getting them removed. Thankfully those that matter in such debates are not BT defenders, they listen to what i have to say and deal with BT lies appropriately.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
And what lies are applicable to this news item, yet more trolling. If you can't find anything bad to say about BT in an article you'll either:-

A) Make it up
B) Refer to something unrelated to the new item so you can get your dig in

Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
LMAO you need to keep up with complaints made to the ASA then you may know why it is perfectly relevant to the debate at hand and who provides what. TV advert probably banned soon also, thats why they have been pumping it out more than normal over the past week in the 7pm onwards slot, LOL.... "Infinity, its only from BT" Not others that have helped to fund their product at all eh? Sorry but the ASA disagreed with a print form of that remark and they will the broadcast one also. So sorry but the ASA call lies on some of what BT have been boasting also.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
please also answer your post and my reply of...
quote"CB what you are proposing is obvious nonsense, no provider can afford to rollout out fibre to the whole of the country on their own...."

Why did you use an example of Rutland doing so and locking others out then?? Destroyed your own sarcastic comment there didnt you?

Come on why did you use Rutland as an example if nobody can afford it anyway? Was it just more rushing to defend BT and attack cyberdoyle?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Its not a hard concept to grasp and you fully understand it but just choose to argue for arguments sake.

A) Rutland <or insert any other non-wholesale provider) installs fibre to a village/county etc, only the installer can provide the Internet service to the customer as none else has access to their network.

Result - Poor choice for the customer as they have no choice apart from one ISP using the fibre deployed.

B) BT Openreach installs fibre to a village/county etc, other ISP's can access the network through wholesale.

Result - More choice for the customer.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
That's it.. nothing more you don't need to bring anything else in, just look at this from the customers perspective nothing more.

Forget other CP's installing fibre we are talking about a bid for one CP to do the work.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"A) Rutland <or insert any other non-wholesale provider) installs fibre to a village/county etc, only the installer can provide the Internet service to the customer as none else has access to their network."

Again whats that have to do with them locking everyone out, others can still deploy their own networks.....
Ill ask a third time and see if you can answer properly...
"Why did you use an example of Rutland locking others out?"
Thats like saying BT stop Virgin from providing services or Virgin stop BT providing services, which obviously is not true.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
BT and Virgin do have their own individual networks do they not? So why you would think anyone rolling out country wide would "LOCK OUT" others from doing so is anyones guess.... I suspect it was just another of your typical stupid, must defend BT remarks.... Or just plain 100% stupid!
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
You keep asking I keep telling but you can't see to understand it?

Using Cornwall as an example.

Cornwall asks for bids from all CP's to provide broadband access to Cornwall and they will choose one. (Just one, not two or three or ask some to come back later, one)

Rutland provided fibre means other ISP's are locked out of using their fibre as they don't wholesale.

Virgin provided fibre means other ISP's are locked out of using their fibre as they don't wholesale

BT provided fibre means other ISP's are able to use it as they wholesale.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago

This isn't about multiple providers putting in multiple fibres its about ONE CP responding to ONE bid, is that too much?

Of course its not.. your just twisting as usual.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
"I suspect it was just another of your typical stupid, must defend BT remarks.... Or just plain 100% stupid! " And those are the personal attacks you told Andrew you weren't guilty of in News Item 4403. Priceless.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Surely it's not difficult to understand the fact that BT Openreach provide a wholesale solution which is what goverment bodies will fund.

By funding a company like Rutland (who have good solutions where appropriate) they would effectively say that Talktalk, Be, Sky etc. would have no business in that area.

cb - do you agree?
Posted by spetznaz over 6 years ago
I don't care who provides it I just want fibre before the next ice age, personally I blame the previous Labour government, they spent so much money on public services but almost always in urban areas. What do I pay my council tax for? - 1 street light that works intermittently.


Posted by ypmud over 6 years ago
I live in cornwall and used to work for BT and my average bb speed is 8-9meg but i cant wait for fibre bb personally i think the likes of CB should come down here and see what our connections are really like they are sooo unreliable ! good on bt for once
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