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Faster broadband comes to Hatt and Higher Pill thanks to Vtesse
Thursday 19 August 2010 11:50:20 by John Hunt

Vtesse Broadband have announced today that two 'final third' communities in Cornwall can now receive faster broadband thanks to work to deploy high-speed broadband to the area. 574 households in Higher Pill and 262 in Hatt can now get access to broadband at speeds of up to 40meg for £30 a month. Vtesse had conducted technical trials with Virgin Media to 15 households in the area prior to launching the service and customer response was positive.

"Hatt and Higher Pill, like so many places in Cornwall and the South West, have endured painfully slow broadband connections, making even the simplest online task - sending an email attachment, checking the weather forecast or uploading photos to Facebook - a complete chore.

Super-fast broadband makes all this information available at the touch of a button and really has the power to change the way these communities use the internet for work, study and leisure.

One third of UK homes and businesses either have no broadband at all or experience poor connection speeds; a situation which is grossly unfair for those who fall on the wrong side of the digital divide. This gap exists because of the way companies like ourselves are taxed and charged for bringing services to new areas. Until these barriers come down, it will be uneconomical to deliver broadband nationwide."

Aidan Paul, (Chief Executive) Vtesse Broadband

The government recently went back on promises to revise the rating system to make it more economical for smaller providers to deploy fibre. The new revised rules from the VOA actually make it more expensive for smaller providers with some fibre links now costing 10 times what they had previously. This obviously goes against the government plans to try and encourage broadband providers to deliver broadband without using public money.

Comments

Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Vtesse are on a roll helping out areas that have long suffered from slow speeds. They really need to be congratulated. Hopefully the next ISPA awards will notice their work, rather than give the awards out to the usual suspects.
Posted by cyberdoyle over 6 years ago
Brilliant, many congratulations to vtesse and especially Aidan for all his grit and determination. I just wish govt would listen to them instead of the useless quangos who don't understand the issues in the final third. Power to the people, from small acorns grow mighty oaks.
chris
Posted by FibreGuy over 6 years ago
Definitely good news for the folks in Hatt and Higher Pill that Vtesse is stepping up where BT is failing to deliver.

Will the local communities be getting open access services or tied into Vtesse as sole supplier I wonder?
Posted by herdwick over 6 years ago
I'm confused by the reference to Virgin Media - is this a VM only ISP service or was that just the trial.
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
Nice one. It shows that where there's a will there's a way. Would love to know how they manage when larger companies can't. It can't just be sheer incompetence :)
Posted by herdwick over 6 years ago
the ability to charge £30/month for a monopoly service must help, and you don't see "£45 setup fee (18 month contracts) (£70 on 12 month contracts)" on a competitive platform. Even <8M ADSL is £20/month which is a healthy premium over the £8.70 per month Openreach get for FTTC circuits.
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
The most important thing is missing from this article. How?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
What are you talking about herdwick, BT infinity option 2 (thats the so called unlimited one like this product is unlimited) is £24.99 per month and comes with an 18 month contract.

This product compares very well. Yes there is a setup fee but the router they give you is yours to keep, unlike the BT infinity products.

They both have similar contract periods, similar monthly price also. Id say given how much smaller they ae compared to the giant that is BT their product range is very fairly priced.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Further more unless its well hiddeen i cant find anything about "fair use" or similar on Vtesses site. So unlike BT the product could be genuiningly unlimited (i doubt it though). I bet P2P isnt perm throttled unlike the BT offerings though. Vtesse have some great products are doing great work and their pricing IMO is fair... Others seem to agree and wish them all the best.
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
Perhaps some care is necessary when making comparisons with monopolies. I believe another division within our national monopoly provider charges £127 for EACH pair they snip and divert at a FTTC and their fibre division insist on an installation charge and and annual rental of £12,000 for a redundant fibre termination unit they do not include themselves in their own Infinity FTTC.

Further reading ..
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/08/17/242345/Vtesse-fills-broadband-39not-spot39-in-Birch-Green.htm

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/08/11/242341/Video-Vaizey-promises-to-discuss-BT-connection-charges.htm
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/08/11/242341/Video-Vaizey-promises-to-discuss-BT-connection-charges.htm

On the video they both say "thats the thing", thing? they should bloody know what it is!!!!!
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
Aidan knows perfectly well what it is, but I believe he's in Hon. MP speak mode !
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
yeah you may have a point though, well still.... Ed should know what it is considering his decisions does affect broadband greatly.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
considering he is the "Minister for Digital Britain", he should defo know about the technology.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
^^^ Since when did any of government know about technology?

To be fair though of course he knows, that thing, its the thingy... Obviously!

The way Aidan for a very brief milli-second pauses and then thinks to himself "i better just call it the thing see he doesnt get confused" is priceless.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
But Ed Vaizey is the minister in charge of broadband industry, digital Britain etc... He should know what the "thing" is. No wonder he scrapped the review of fibre tax, he wouldn't know what difference it would make, bet he don't even know how ADSL works or the speed he gets at home. LOL

It is abit funny though :D
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
He just looks totally confused and lost when Aidan trys to explain how it all works. Its a shame really i imagine there is atleast the odd MP which really does understand the internet, how it works and what would be good or bad for its future. As it is though good old Ed doesnt seem to fall in that catagory.
Posted by wirelesspacman over 6 years ago
To be honest, I think "the thing" was probably an appropriate description for Aidan to give it, for two reasons. Firstly, I would indeed be very surprised to find an MP of any party that really understood the real function of and difference between NTE, Switch, Router etc (heck, most so called IT Experts don't!).

The second reason is that I doubt Aidan want's to grace that bit of kit with a "job title" since he really does not want it to be there in the first place.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"...he really does not want it to be there in the first place."

If he didnt i cant blame him and i dont think anyone else would. Poor guy could spend weeks explaining things to various MPs and in typical fashion they ignore common sense anyway.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Thats the problem with current MPs, they aint up-to-date with the current technology and i don't just mean broadband, technology in general.

Which seems why i feel like one of the reasons the government is useless. It's as if they think they are still in the 1970s or something. LOL
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Thats the problem with current MPs, they aint up-to-date with the current technology and i don't just mean broadband, technology in general.

Which seems why i feel like one of the reasons the government is useless. It's as if they think they are still in the 1970s or something. LOL
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
@ Legolash,

Might I suggest you are being a little unkind to our elected representatives. They have all manner of skills to do with government and legislation. I've had astonishingly good responses on broadband matters from our MP. You do need to explain carefully what the problem is and what you would like to achieve. This is actually good discipline for you in making succinct points. Contd.
Posted by WalterWillcox over 6 years ago
I think most MPs or their assistants would ask questions if the can't understand. Do also remember that the number of questions on a vast range of subjects that have to be addressed would probably daunt most of us.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
^^^ which is why they all voted through the Digital Economy bill/act like lemmings i suppose?
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
well said Carpetburn, it was not their decision to make as they are not qualified enough to make that decision.

I sent a letter to my MP and council about FTTC and about its faster speeds, they said Kingston Comm (hull) was going to be available in my area soon which has nothing to do with FTTC.

I just wish they gave the "Broadband Minister" job title to someone who actually has a degree in computers/networkings even if its not an MP.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont... Britain used to be rich and leaders of such things as railway, industrial revolution, PSTN now we are behind because MPs only think about themselves and the MPs which do care don't get heard.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Learning involves hard work and why do that when you can get fat off tax payers expenses? MPs ceratinly do not educate thereself or normally even ask questions in which to learn unless it affects them directly.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Totally agree this country used to be at the forefront of innovation, nowadays the serving of personal pockets comes well before serving of the public. That seems to have spread like poison in government and law in general of this country top to bottom.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
exactly CB, you read my mind.

I just wish UK could return to what it used to be and be innovative, we get screwed over. The latest crap is about UK students can't get into uni because foreign students come first even though the British students got straight A*s and As.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont...

I want the UK to be efficient, scrap fibre tax, have the best broadband network (FTTP). Sorry i sorta have OCD when it comes to efficiency, and it just get mega annoyed that this country is so inefficient its unbelievable.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont.. If the government didn't waste so much money on crap like 1162 quangos and the EU, we would have enough for high speed 100Mb broadband easily, even 1Gbps. Sorry it just really pisses me off, rant over.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
LOL nice to see someone else go off on the odd mad rant no need to appologise for it at all in my opinion. :)
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
what's your opinion carpetburn? everyone elses opinion would be nice too :)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
I personally think the likes of Ofcom and our government in general like say all the right things but often fail to deliver. One minute blabbering on about wanting this country to have "super fast" broadband, the next refusing to admit in any way the tax system on fibre is years out of date and touch (like alot of things here). There seems IMO to be no pressure on BT or any giant (i guess the only other one is Virgin) to roll out to areas that actually need significant speed improvements, and any tax payer financial support to either company is never dealt with in a fair manner.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Too much fluff and not enough substances... Government and ofcom fluff... 'We want the UK to have "super fast" broadband'... reality we are basically doing nothing to aid that or shouting at the big boys to get the job done in areas its needed... Government and Ofcom fluff... 'We will have a fair bidding system'... Result Virgin given no money to roll out anywhere else currently AFAIK.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Smaller organisations like Vtesse left to beg or rely on community funded projects. BT handed council money on a plate in one location to put cabinets in place in an area which is served via an exchange only 3 miles(ish) away. Like they couldnt afford to just do it anyway.
Some of the subject matter you mentioned also makes me sick and i could rant on about for weeks "quangos" grrrr argh (the short way to put my feelings on them). Students and grades now in general, thats an essay ;) I think 3 posts ranting about goverment and broadband in a row though is more than enough ;)
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
They have to learn what "super fast" broadband is first, 100Mbps is "super fast" not anything over 24Mbps. 1Gbps is "overkill" lol :P

Yeah its annoying they want us to have the fastest broadband in Europe, we are already behind Europe and nothing it being done to let us catch up instead they are making it harder for us to catch up.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
I wouldnt mind them not doing anything, ok i would mind but.... What angers me more than anything is they seem to think we are all idiots. They throw around random figures they say will be spent and promises about what they are going to do for broadband. So far all i see is lots of lip movement but only silly stop gap measures.
Posted by New_Londoner over 6 years ago
@Legolash
You're right that we're already behind Europe if you mean our prices are lower, that fewer of our people don't have access to broadband if they want it, that we have too much competition to provide infrastructure, to wholesale services and to retail them.

Is that what you meant? :-)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Our prices are not lower, dont go down that route again. We dont even have a USO to guarantee xMb speeds yet, my god even Finland has that.
Price is irreleavant anyway i imagine Legolash and myself would prefer quality, which we dont get no matter what the price is.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Id hope our prices are low for wholesale stuff and all the wonderfull wholesale services BT supply to all the ISPs especially BT retail here especially when it performs like nredwood points out in this thread...
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4356-bt-s-adam-and-jane-broadband-ad-banned-by-asa.html

See video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WurFPlkSZew

My god i wish our services were cheaper when they are crippled like that. Yeah we are ahead look we can traffic manage legit needed browser extension downloads LOL
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Carpetburn is correct that i would rather have quality or if i pay for a 24Mbps connection i should get a 24Mbps, obviously i know ISPs can't break the law of physics and i know about overheads etc... but if im just getting 6Mb then i should only be paying for 6Mb not 24Mbps.

I think customers should pay per Mb they get. cheaper?!?!?! did you know that in Hong Kong you can get symmetric 100Mbps connections for US$13(£8.40) or 1Gbps for US$26 (£16.80).
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont... It would help our business so much to get faster connections especially upload speed, homes should be happy with 40Mb, but at least has said they will get a minimum of 15Mb which is alot better than 2Mb minimum the government has proposed, we just need to get FTTC out and if a business needs more than they can just pay BT to put a fibre optic cable to the cabinet which would be cheaper because the fibre cable would not have to go all the way back to the exchange reducing costs greatly.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont... If they government just rolled out FTTC to everyone and made 10Mbps the USO the i'd be a happy bunny, yet i'd be an even happier bunny if they scrapped all the quangos and left he EU ;)

It's not a hard decision, they the government pissed me off when they overcomplicate things.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
cont.. the Government has no right to say "you have to have a minumum of 2Mb to everyone in the country by 2015 and oh... you have to use your own money, we're gonna tax you alot and get in your way"

They could atleast scrap the fibre tax and let them keep the 3% money from the BBC license so they don't lose out...
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"...did you know that in Hong Kong you can get symmetric 100Mbps connections for US$13(£8.40) or 1Gbps for US$26 (£16.80)."

Dont try to argue with him services are cheaper and better in other areas of the world complete waste of time he wont comprehend it ive already tried doing that with Verizon fios as an example in a prior news story like he tried to argue i was wrong for weeks. I could had used Hong Kong but wanted to point to websites he could read, stupid of me to think he actually would read in detail about services, cos he didnt.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
If BT did FTTC to everywhere in the UK, isn't it cheaper to maintain than copper?
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Also is it me, or do most organisations/ISPs think more about making money more than the long term invested which cost potentially make them billions?
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
making money quickly (short term)**
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
^^^ Yep, yep and yep, all typical of broadband in this country.
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
Carpetburn if was the prime minister, what would you do? (Broadband wise) :P
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
if you was*
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
If i was PM the orders to deliver fibre to the big boys would had gone ahead several years ago. If i was PM only a few years prior to today id had told them FTTC, NO you are moaning about the cost of that and wanting government cash and other elp for some areas, in that case you can do FTTH, if you cant do the cheapest fibre solution without help you may as well do the better and more expensive solution.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Oh and Id also had chucked ofcom out of so called control by now, useless sack of the proverbial that they are.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
I really dunno how we have got to the point of a organisation that many many years ago wanted to be private, moaning about the cost of the cheapest fibre solution to customers, and then only wanting to hook up 2 thirds of those customers in this country. It is pathetic it has been allowed to happen from governments that say they want this country to have the best internet in Europe. Grow some balls and dictate to them what you want done especially when in some cases they want tax payer help STILL.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
CB - How can the government tell BT to FTTC/P the whole country? Where will funding come from?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Where did i mention BT? They wanted to be private now go pay your own way to reach people. Wheres the funding coming from for BT to do some areas, government and local authority schemes. If BT cant afford to do FTTC thereself perhaps they should stop telling us all about their profits. They are like a Toll bridge, endlessly collecting money, putting prices up and spending very little compared to what they are making. They would get the bare minimum of help from me, any MASS funding id sooner give to companies like Vtesse who have came such a long way in a pretty short time.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
How many millions if not billions have BT made since becoming private and getting the network of this land pretty cheap? Screw them and their cash cow mentality, chuck a wedge of cash at companies that really do want to innovate and would love to give people FTTH, give the profit hoarding BT some real competition i say not more damn money, if they always make profits they dont need tax payers cash.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
If BT and the big boys dont want to accept my orders as PM to crack on and get the country done with FTTH, id crush their monopoly by funding others to do it. BT though wouldnt get a penny. Ok maybe ill give them 1% of what i give others to shut them up (if im in a good mood), if they still moan they would lose that 1% also and be told to take an even longer hike. SCREW 'EM
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Yet another well thought out and presented reply. Do you realise that you have no credibility when you write in that way?
Posted by ElBobbo over 6 years ago
Affording FTTH for everyone in the UK if the government did its job properly; govern. If you want fibre everywhere, follow through with a bit of law.
The vast majority of the expense (70-80%) is not the equipment or the fibre, but the large costs due to civil work. Mandate that all roadwork allow for ductwork, and that all utilities co-build and share ducts.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Yet another well thought out and presented reply. Do you realise that you have no credibility when you write in that way?"

If you dont want or like the answer, dont ask the question. Atleast i have the courtesy to answer your questioning. When people ask you to clarify what you are saying in comments, you refuse to answer. (examples can be given) I spose that is your way to show superior "credibility" being unable to answer questions about your statements!
Posted by Legolash2o over 6 years ago
FTTH was estimated around £28.8bn pounds but since then BT had realized its actually cheaper because thye can blow fibre etc...

But if the government set a target of lets says 2020, then that's would £2.88-3billion a year which is not much at all considering that thhe government wastes much more than that.

So if you think about it like that then FTTH is not that much.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
^^^ Not only that but thats only a BT quote, like anyone with any sense believes what they have to say. The government could had atleast asked other organisations to look into what they think it would cost. Id had thought by now even the government would had learned if you rely on BT to do something you will wait years, just look at how many years they are behind in rolling out ADSL2+
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
It's a sub loop unbundling / FTTC service.
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