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87 percent of London to have fibre broadband by Spring 2011
Tuesday 15 June 2010 10:39:32 by John Hunt

BT announced yesterday that Londoners are to benefit the most from the roll out of next-generation broadband using fibre technology that will deliver fast broadband speeds. 87% of the Greater London area, approximately 2 million homes and businesses, will be able to connect using fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) or fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) technology, 100,000 of which already have the service available.

"London is already one of the best connected cities in the world and our investment plan will ensure that it stays ahead of the pack. Our investment will see Londoners have access to both fibre and advanced copper broadband services well in advance of the London Olympics.

With BT as its official communications partner, London 2012 looks set to be the best connected Games yet. The infrastructure that we are putting in place will allow people to watch the event in high definition and engage with the Games using a range of exciting, interactive services. More importantly, the new broadband network will be a lasting legacy, enabling those living and work in London to prosper and the capital’s economy to thrive well into the future."

Ian Livingstone, (Chief Executive) BT Group

The new products which are becoming available offer speeds of up to 40Mbps where fibre-to-the-cabinet is deployed and up to 100Mbps where a full fibre (FTTH) solution is offered. As with existing ADSL/ADSL2+ technology, speeds are "up to" the maximum meaning users may see slower speeds than this depending on how far they live from the local telephone exchange. Many people may already be able to receive faster broadband from Virgin Media who offer broadband speeds of up to 50Mbps. The difference with Virgin's products is that speeds are not affected by distance from the exchange but congestion within the ISP and on the Internet (a problem that applies to all broadband providers).

Comments

Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
"As with existing ADSL/ADSL2+ technology, speeds are "up to" the maximum meaning users may see slower speeds than this depending on how far they live from the local telephone exchange."

You mean the cabinet... not the exchange :)
Posted by doowles over 6 years ago
Ummmm I thought we only had 5,000 Fiber to the home connections in the entire UK?

Fiber Broadband has nothing to do with VDSL(FTTC), that uses copper right?
Posted by krazykizza over 6 years ago
5,000 FTTH connections. Virgin media isn't really fibre
Posted by otester over 6 years ago
thinkbroad isnt usually very accurate anyways.

I can understand why BT is doing economically viable areas first but I hope they reinvest the profit and do market 1 areas next.
Posted by sunindra over 6 years ago
I am no lover of VM, I currently have BB via BE Broadband and get a consistant 10mb almost all the time. I have found that with VM that congestion is a major problem. However to the point, the VM network is only fibre to the cabinet. In the past VM have laid a new piece of cable from my local cabinet to my house. It should therefore not to big an issue to lay fibre. I have no idea what hardware would need to be changed at the cabinet.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Posted by otester 13 minutes ago
thinkbroad isnt usually very accurate anyways

Please translate.
Posted by Scubaholic over 6 years ago
Spring 2001 - does that mean they have until 20th June next year? Where is the exchange list with activation dates?
I'm with Be & get 15MBps. They have told me no fibre plans just line bonding.
So wait to see who will offer this & at what price & what their definition of "unlimited" is.
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
87% FTTC, fine but hardly impressive for the capital of the UK. What percentage can get Virgin Media in London?
Posted by rickw over 6 years ago
How do I find out when FTTC will be live in my area E16?
I know when the exchange will be live (late summer 2010 it says 'ere in Samknows) but I guess this is rather different to it being on my estate which being 4km odd as the crow flies from the exchange makes broadband 1meg or so if you are lucky!!

This is just up the road from the Olympic site where all things wizzy are being installed.

Posted by 2doorsbob over 6 years ago
Why does this article not suprise me ..Thanks alot BT stick ya fttc it will probably shaped to buggery away ..the best chance of fttc is tho llu but they will drag there heals wholesaleing it
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
FTTC is available to all ISPs.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
@2doorsbob. of course they will take their time, need to make back the investment of £2.5Billion don't they?

If you ran a business would you spend that much money then give the service away for free?
Posted by ElBobbo over 6 years ago
TaRkADaHl - Openreach is providing the FTTC infrastructure. They're already required to offer access to LLU providers without involving BT Wholesale.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
Where did I mention wholesale? I know Openreach are required to provide access, believe me I really do, but they do it through virtual unbundling rather than true LLU so they get their money back. Rather than just giving access to the infrastructure for nowt.
Posted by ElBobbo over 6 years ago
They offer a similar service to SMPF LLU as it exists now, except that some of the path is fibre and not copper.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
And they get more cash from it to make back the investment... as per my original comment.
Posted by ElBobbo over 6 years ago
So... they offer a better service and ask more for it? That is a crazy business plan!
They've never given anything away for free, and they're not taking their time wholesaling it, as you said to 2doorsbob. Openreach's GEA is available right now to CPs.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
Rather than just giving access to the infrastructure for nowt.

Who would do that?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
"So... they offer a better service and ask more for it? That is a crazy business plan!"

Hmmm must be a lot of crazy businesses out there, as that plan is used every day. Shame on BT for ploughing money into new infrastructure and not giving it away for free... shame on you!
Posted by themanstan over 6 years ago
Err... it appears that a couple of people here advocate the NTL/Telewest go bankrupt business plan for BT. I certainly hope you guys don;t hold positions requiring fiscal integrity!!!
Almost reminds me of attitude of the 70s union leaders at BL who wanted every single penny of profit to go to wage packets or they went on strike, leaving sod all for the development of new vehicles. Truly terrible days!
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
Not quite. People had a choice of whether to buy BL vehicles, or someone elses.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
What, people don't have a choice with what providers to go with? There is copper ADSL, coax/Fibre, Satellite, 3g and Leased Lines you can choose from now.

If you don't have cable in your area then who's fault is it? Not BT's, NTL simply didn't see you area as viable so didn't bother to install it there. Tough luck. Move house if you want to.

Also, don't complain that leased lines and sat are expensive, as last time I checked you can buy cars in different price ranges much in the same way you can get an internet service in a different price range.
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
@TaR:Let's look at that choice shall we:
Copper ADSL - 95% of premises.
coax/fibre - 50% of premises.
Satellite - 99% of premises but slow and potential bandwidth issue with mass take-up.
3g - 80% of premises (perhaps) but same bandwidth issues as satellite.
Leased lines - Depends what you mean. A lot of leased lines are created using xDSL and bonding (ours will be if it ever gets approved).
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
(cont'd) but I'm not sure what the point is here. BL was a lousy business model but at least there were other other vehicles people could buy (and they did).

Applying the same rule to BT doesn't look so rosy. If BT go bust it threatens the telecommunications services of at least half of a the population. Don't forget - even LLU tends to be reliant on BT for exchange backhaul.
Posted by AndrueC over 6 years ago
(cont'd) BT is far from perfect but right now and for the foreseeable future the UK is dependant on it. It would be short-sighted to see it driven to the wall.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
Given that BT have all the exchanges in the uk (apart from Kingston) and have agreements/laws in place with the gov to provide fixed line access to everyone, do you really think they would be allowed to go bust?

The point is, people had a choice to buy BL vehicles or someone elses. People have a choice to go with BT or someone else.
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
no new announcement yet of further rollout? still some big cities left out.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
No sign of announcement from Virgin either? BT is just one provider, why is no-one asking about Virgin's plans?
Posted by 2doorsbob over 6 years ago
@TaRkADaHl do you honestly think without llu bt would be better off ..who pays for leaseing the lines ..llu who pays for openreach to repair lines ..llu who pays rent in the exchanges ..llu. need i go on
Posted by MarkHampshire over 6 years ago
@AndrueC - isn't the public on the hook for most of BT's pension liabilities - so if it did go to the wall, it would be very expensive too... the free market, eh?!
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
I'm not sure about your logic there 2doorsbob, surely BT were making more before BEFORE LLU was introduced? As ISP's had to pay to use everything of BT's and presumably at higher cost, otherwise what would be attractive about LLU to an ISP?
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
Little bit of common sense here, without LLU or with VLLU you use everything of BT's, they get rent for ISP's using everything of theirs, with LLU, ISP's only rent a small portion of the exchange and do everything themselves.

Therefore BT get less money.

Therefore BT don't make back their investment.

Therefore it wouldn't be financially viable to keep rolling it out.

Therefore they wouldn't bother.

They are a business, don't forget that.
Posted by 2doorsbob over 6 years ago
bt have lost customers hand over fist with poor customer service high pricing and traffic shaping and as for gman99's piont of cause they was making money but nobody had a choise .bt manage they own services they could be competative if they wanted .but my mian piont here still stands llu still benifits bt
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 6 years ago
But not as much as VLLU.

You don't quite get it do you?

Lets pretend BT get paid £100 for every VLLU customer, but they only get paid £50 for every LLU customer.

This is because the ISP uses their own equipment, meaning they don't need to rent as much stuff from BT.

Now, if you are trying to make back £2.5Billion... you need a lot more £50 payments than you do £100 payments.

As such they will hold off rolling out full LLU so they can get their money back.

Business does not equal charity.
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
GMAN99 very strange comment, BT fanboy? as was very defensive. I am asking about BT FTTC in a BT FTTC discussion, so why bring up VM. But since you want to compare, VM's current coverage is higher than planned BT FTTC coverage.
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
LLU obviously loses BT profits, simply for the reason LLU isp's are not renting out BTw backhaul at extorniote prices.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
One important question - when will we know where the 'final third' is?
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
Its not a strange comment, people always ask what BT is doing and they are not the only telco, why is that strange? And VM's coverage isn't the same as BT's uncontended FTTC and when did VM last expand their network? I'm not a fanboy but I don't target one provider as there are others
Posted by cyberdoyle over 6 years ago
somerset, the final third is people who currently can't get the 2meg USC. http://wooster.org.uk/mapping/ has the samknows map. (the blue one)
Posted by otester over 6 years ago
@Somerset

For example a while ago they referred to "illegal uploading" as "illegal downloading", cant remember the others off hand.
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
gman99 consumer FTTC services are not uncontended, just because part of the link will be, it doesnt equate to a uncontended service. If it was uncontended the prices would be 4 to 5 figures per month.
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 6 years ago
isn't the final third in terms of the area not getting FTTx from openreach by 2015, makes sense as they are doing 40% by 2012 and 66% by 2015 leaving the final 3rd. 2 meg has nothing to do with it
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
What do you mean chrysalis, its my understanding that with FTTC each premise has its own fibre pair from the cab to the exchange? And I'm comparing that to Virgin's shared connection. With BT FTTC there maybe contention at the exchange I guess but I was referring to the physical link back to the exchange.
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
FTTC is dedicated bandwidth on a shared fibre from the cabinet to the exchnage.
Posted by rrvvee41 over 6 years ago
"London is already one of the best connected cities in the world and our investment plan will ensure that it stays ahead of the pack. Our investment will see Londoners have access to both fibre and advanced copper broadband services well in advance of the London Olympics.

Well done London, you are already the best connected, so what about the rest of us???

OK connect up areas which will be used for the Olympics (London of course - not UK), but an odd fibre into the sticks would be nice!!
Sorry not going to happen, but I already knew that!!
Posted by cyberdoyle over 6 years ago
Captain, the final third is the third of the country who can't get a 2meg connection at present. That is where the term came from in the digital britain report. The same third will never get NGA. BT have said it is not economic to provide any decent connections to them. Ever. That is why any public funding for broadband should go to them for NGA. Not to BT to implement BET.
Posted by GMAN99 over 6 years ago
But if any public funding goes just to the final third we are back to the same old argument of previous months. Why should the majority pay for the minority's broadband? If the tax is paid for by all, all should benefit. We are going to be taxed to death after tomorrow as it is and I don't want to be paying for other peoples broadband
Posted by rsumner over 6 years ago
Really happy for all of you- not! I live less than two miles from the centre of Ipswich (itself only 85 miles from London), and am lucky to see 0.5 Mbps- yes, that's half a Megabit/second. To add insult to injury, just 5 miles down the road is BT's Martlesham Research Centre....grrr!
Posted by Mince1978 over 6 years ago
Sorry if I speak out of turn here...but fuck London!! What about the rest of us all left dwindling on 1meg "if ya lucky broadband!" Its a joke, in fact its a liberty! If most of London already has reasonable speeds and/or fibre Bb then why not spend some cash on the rest of us poor second rate citizens, cos thats how ya get left feeling!! I think London will live without an upgrade from 8 - 40 meg dont you???!!! Who cares if its the Capital, after all, ya can't polish a turd can ya!
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