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IDnet launch 40meg fibre broadband products
Thursday 13 May 2010 19:26:31 by John Hunt

IDnet are the latest ISP to announce they are selling up-to 40Mbps fibre broadband products using BT's fibre-to-the-cabinet service. 32 exchanges are currently active with fibre run to road side cabinets where VDSL2 equipment is connected to phone lines, but this is set to increase to 66% coverage by 2015. The IDnet fibre coverage checker will tell you if you can receive the service, or an estimated date of when your area will be enabled, if available.

Both Home products and Business products are available with the cheapest being Home Start Fibre at £24.99 per month (£22.91 per month if bought annually), including 15GB peak time allowance (9am - midnight) and 45GB offpeak. The highest usage aimed at home users is the Home SuperPro Fibre which includes 400GB a month (80GB peak) for £46.99. A minimum 12 month contract and a connection charge of £47 apply.

For those looking for an unlimited download allowance product, the Business packages offer an option for this at £99.50 per month with an SLA guaranteeing a fix within 24 hours. All business and home fibre products offer a download speed of up-to 40meg and upload speeds of up-to 10meg.

"We see great future upgrade potential for this service. There are several parallels with the early roll-out of standard ADSL in the UK: installation is only carried-out by a qualified BT engineer using a BT-supplied modem (the modem handles the VDSL signal so an Ethernet PPPoE router is also required, which we can supply). Early BT ADSL installations were limited to 0.5Mbps (and then increased to 1, 2, 8 and 24Mbps variants). The Fibre Broadband service is currently limited to 40Mbps but the VDSL2 standard allows for connection speeds all the way up to 100Mbps (distance dependant). Already BT have announced an upgrade due in the Summer to increase the upload speed to 15Mbps and a new repair service aimed at fixing faults within just 7 hours (compared to 20 or 40 hours currently). These factors together with the relatively low cost make the service an attractive alternative for businesses who now rely on Internet access as a critical service."

Simon Davies, (Director) IDnet

Comments

Posted by pinshot over 7 years ago
This definitely sounds like the best so far.

Now the only other thing that matters is their FUP and if they throttle. If they do not throttle (especially bittorrent) then i see this company making alot of money and they will have me as a customer as soon as i am activated. I really dont see how BT think they are going to make any money as an ISP of this new service since they throttle like crazy and have low usage levels.
Posted by drteeth over 7 years ago
I am going to have to wait to a truly LLU offering. My current 7MB line is stable and I can d/l at max capacity 24/7. Truly unlinited.
Posted by otester over 7 years ago
£47 for 80/400 isn't that bad, suppose it's good if you can't get LLU/greater than 5Mb already.
Posted by maniac886 over 7 years ago
80GB a month peak usage does seem to be a little on the low side though. My cabinet was one of the first to go-live but I am waiting for someone to offer a decent peak usage limit.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Peak time usage still far too low for a fibre based product. 80Gig peak a month is very poor, even for business. No point having 10Mb upload rates if you are still limited in how much data transfering you can do due to caps.

Im also dubious about the supposed 24 hour fix product for £99.50..... We all know things can and do happen outside of an ISPs control, like exchange fires, floods, cable theft etc.... Any minor issues the ISP end id expect to be fixed in a day or 2 anyway without paying double for the service.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
On a plus side..... Im sure the service and support will be good IDnet have a good reputation in that regard :)
Posted by ian72 over 7 years ago
One of the things I haven't seen covered is the latency on the product. Is the latency lower/higher than an equivalent copper based product? If it is it could be a great option for gamers even with relatively low download allowances. Just wish I had the option or any likelihood to have it in the near future.
Posted by Locky over 7 years ago
daylight robbery.
Posted by TaRkADaHl over 7 years ago
24hr fix T&C's: "Business Premium Protected's SLA guarantees a response and fix within 24 hours or refund given".

Refund given for the month? Refund given for getting your MAC and leaving contract? Refund given for time down? If it is for time down, a 24hr fault would result in a refund of a 30th of the £99.50, thats a grand total of £3.31!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Quote Locky "daylight robbery."

Yeah Pretty much HOWEVER i think its fair to point out the pricing and caps are not Idnets fault or the fault of any of the other few individual ISPs. The pricing and caps on these FTTC products is all down to good old BT again.
Virgin must be licking their lips with their superior products and no doubt the big LLU companies like Sky and O2 will be when they get in on the fibre game. Maybe inside 5 years the BT monopoly will finally be broken (we can only hope).
Posted by Locky over 7 years ago
80 gig cap peak i could do that in a few hours, gotta love the unrestricted 50 meg :D, bt are expecting people to pay a rather big premium on the FTTC products and then limit it so much, 80 gig at 40 meg is what about 6 hours full speed ?
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
Yet again Carpetburn gets it completely wrong. The prices being quoted seem like about right for what you are getting. If you want to be able to download the whole internet every day, then you have to pay for it, expecting that for pennies a day is not reasonable. BT are risking significant capital to build the infrastructure, and, as a business, have to ensure they get a good return on that, even though they know that other companies can then come along and demand access to it, undercut them and look like the only good guys. Of course this is probably just me being a BT apologist.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
Locky - what are you doing? If everyone was like you prices would go up significantly.
Posted by Locky over 7 years ago
what do you mean if everybody was like me ? consumers getting their moneys worth ?
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 7 years ago
@carpetburn

BT monopoly? did i miss something? isn't the whole of the openreach network, and also FTTC available to all CP's if they want it.

is virgins "superior products" that much better?

virgin

20mb down / 768k up for £20 pm
50mb down / 1.5mb up for £28 pm

bt infinity

up to 40mb down / 2 mb up for £19.99 pm
up to 40mb down / 10 mb up for £24.99 pm

not much in it if you ask me
Posted by Locky over 7 years ago
50 meg is 38 unless you got a virgin phone line for a start, and bt's infinity again is dependant on distance from the cabinet just like adsl is from the exchange so in reality how many get the full speed of 40 / 10 (soon to be 15?) and bt shape to death at least virgin are clear in how they shape ?
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 7 years ago
a good majority are getting the full 40 meg
Posted by CaptainHulaHoop over 7 years ago
all prices were assuming u took a phone line as well
Posted by rian over 7 years ago
Virgin seems to have a very good ping time in general while BT is the one always being complaint in connection speed. As far as I know.
Posted by tommy45 over 7 years ago
Well for me, the 80gb cap is a no,no, i do more than that now,lol there would be little point in having those faster speeds if you are unable to use it and reap something back for your dosh, it's not our fault they are only starting roll this out now, they've taken plenty £££'s for years without investing into the Jurassic network of copper/alli
Posted by c_j_ over 7 years ago
"you want to be able to download the whole internet every day, then you have to pay for it, expecting that for pennies a day is not reasonable"

Agreed.

"BT are risking significant capital to build the infrastructure, and, as a business, have to ensure they get a good return on that"

How does FTTC work, commercially? Is it closer to LLU classic DSL (BTWholesale involvement leads to extortionate prices) or new improved LLU (no BTwholesale, only Openreach)?

Chinese walls etc make the two different financially.
Posted by c_j_ over 7 years ago
"LLU classic DSL" should read "pre-LLU classic DSL"
Posted by MarkHampshire over 7 years ago
Out of interest, how on earth do people manage to use 80GB per month? What on? I watch a few TV programmes online, work from home every day and manage about 7GB per month. We're only talking about £47 per month here, surely that's not a small fortune if it delivers decent speeds and means there's some money left over for investment in the network.
Posted by wirelesspacman over 7 years ago
How? Well, they will always come up with various excuses, but basically it has historically tended to come down to copyright infringement. Nowadays one might argue it is streaming and watching iPlayer and the like, but expecting to do that all day at no cost is naive.
Posted by otester over 7 years ago
Copyright was just invented to create a monopoly for distribution. If they provided a better service, piracy would't exist.
Posted by maniac886 over 7 years ago
Here are the top packages on offer at the moment,obviously you may want to look at connection charges as well but it gives you an idea into the current pricing.

BT £25/month 100GB limit total Peak & Off Peak.

Eclipse £49.95 60GB Peak Unlm Off-Peak(11pm-9am).

IDNET £46.99 80GB Peak 320GB(12am-9am).

Timico- Business users only.

Fast.co.uk- £49.98 100GB total Peak & Off Peak
Posted by ian72 over 7 years ago
@otester - of course copyright is about creating a monopoly on distribution. If you spend £1m creating something and therefore is no copyright then how do you ever get your money back? These are digital artifacts that can be readily copied, they aren't physical devices that are more difficult to successfully replicate (which would be covered by patents and other laws).
Posted by MarkHampshire over 7 years ago
Wirelessspaceman

That's what I'd imagined. On iTunes, 80GB = approx 67 movies per month. That's more than 2 per day. Some people must have an awful lot of time on their hands.

The ISPs themselves have encouraged this, though, by so often claiming "unlimited" broadband when it isn't.

Get rid of the throttling and traffic shaping, and just have sensible data transfer limits per month related to the price.
Posted by MarkHampshire over 7 years ago
"Copyright was just invented to create a monopoly for distribution."

Eh?

"If they provided a better service, piracy would't exist."

Who is "they"?
Posted by otester over 7 years ago
@ian72

Either change your business model or find a way of protecting your digital content, latter has failed so far.

I would pay for digital content if they provided a service better/cheaper than usenet/P2P which is easily done.


@MarkHampshire

80GB = ~8 HD movies.

+

"they" being the people who moan about it being a problem while posting record profits (aka. IFPI).
Posted by mabibby over 7 years ago
I don't care what ANYBODY says. If you are pushing more than 80Gb - 100Gb a month without the following exceptions.

a) Business Usage
b) Running a Webserver
c) Downloading lots of iTunes movies and gaming at the same time (Yeah Right...)

Then you are quite blatantly downloading lots of copyrighted material over BitTorrent/P2P/Usenet/Scene FTP etc...

ISP's should consider offering services cheaper to people who opt to disable BitTorrent Trackers, P2P Nodes and UseNet connections.

I use Spotify, iPlayer, download Linux ISO's, do alot of general browsing and I stay well within a 25Gb limit.
Posted by c_j_ over 7 years ago
"ISP's should consider offering services cheaper to people who opt to disable BitTorrent Trackers, P2P Nodes and UseNet connections"

Some sensible ones (and some others) already do that, although maybe there are a few legitimate users of many dozens of GB a month. Really it doesn't matter whether a GB is a legit GB or a dodgy GB, the cost to the ISP is the same. Either way "unlimited" still has a magic attraction to a small minority of people, people who probably also generate the majority of the costs for ISPs offering "unlimited" flat-rate services.
Posted by MarkHampshire over 7 years ago
So I understand correctly, then, people are really moaning because 8 HD movies - cost in the shops circa £200, costs as much as £47 to download illegally?

ISPs who offer unlimited data transfer get the customers they deserve, it seems, it's good to see IDNET haven't gone that way.

What have record profits got to do with it, anyway - if you have a good year and earn a fortune, am I entitled to some of that?
Posted by otester over 7 years ago
@MarkHampshire

Well thats assuming you only download HD movies and only 8 :)

My connection allows for 8 HD movies a day!

Mark, just because I downloaded something doesn't mean I would have bought it.
Posted by chrysalis over 7 years ago
the prices are more what I would expect for a high speed service, the uk has had it very easy on retail pricing for years on adsl due to the lack of burst speed pricing.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
QUOTE"Yet again Carpetburn gets it completely wrong. The prices being quoted seem like about right for what you are getting."

Nonsense Virgin offer 50Mb which is faster than this 40Mb offering, Virgin is also cheaper than this £46.99 80gig product and of course the Virgin 50Mb product doesnt have the silly caps. Wrong Pffftt i dont think so, those are the cold hard facts.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"@carpetburn

BT monopoly? did i miss something? isn't the whole of the openreach network, and also FTTC available to all CP's if they want it."

Obviously you did miss something as Openreach are part of BT and its down to their pricing why these products through ISPs are so expensive.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"So I understand correctly, then, people are really moaning because 8 HD movies - cost in the shops circa £200"

WOW dunno where you shop for bluray disks but they are ripping you off something chronic.
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