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BT gives chairman broadband in a not-spot
Monday 30 November 2009 16:35:49 by John Hunt

BT have admitted that their chairman, Sir Michael Rake, is receiving broadband in a not-spot area. Local residents of Hambledon on the Oxfordshire/Buckinghamshire border have accused BT of preferential treatment to their chairman by giving him broadband, whilst the rest of the village have been suffering for years with no access to broadband.

BT have only been able to provide the service through the use of a trial technology called BET (broadband enabling technology) that allows broadband to work at speeds of up to 1Mbps at a distance of 12km. The exchange serving the village is broadband enabled, however most lines are too long for standard broadband to work.

It is common practice that companies give trials to employees before releasing to the general public, however this trial has touched some nerves and we hope the trial is opened up to other residents quickly. It is estimated that it can cost up to £3000 per line to enable broadband through BET. Residents should at least be pleased that BT haven't paid ten's of thousands to provide Rake with a dedicated leased line which wouldn't assist them in getting a broadband service any sooner.

If you can't get broadband, you can register on our broadband not-spot site to keep track and see if neighbours nearby have similar problems.

Comments

Posted by freddibney over 7 years ago
Reminds you of little Britain

Ive the only broadband in the village.
Posted by citizenx over 7 years ago
Typical BT. To hell with the paying customer.

He should be sacked. Trials my arse.

Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
Why? You need trials before it's sold to people like you.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 7 years ago
Sacked - who the chairman, or the people in BT who thought that was all he would need in terms of broadband.

Imagine if the chairman of Ford was only given an old Ford Cortina, what would that say about the firms products?

Rock and a hard place, FTTC would have been a better way maybe.
Posted by citizenx over 7 years ago
They should have opened the service up to other locals if they're spending money providing it to him.

Just reinforces the view of BT as a bunch of self absorbed scumbags imho.
Posted by citizenx over 7 years ago
somerset - BT will NEVER sell another product to me. End of.

I've not used them for years and will make doubly sure when i move that i can receive cable.

Refuse to give that company a single penny of my money ever again.
Posted by Capn over 7 years ago
Seeing as their 'new' ADSL2+ has been trialled by themselves and other Wholesale providers and is still not fit for purpose I cant blame them for them trialling it to only 10 people.

Still, they should pull their thumb out and get rolling out FTTC/H quicker to the masses that so urgently need it.
Posted by timmay over 7 years ago
I just hope that Michael Rake says that BET is not the solution for people with long lines as it is too slow, costs too much and has no future upgrade path!
Posted by trav133 over 7 years ago
No doubt this will be another exchange that will be shown on the maps as BB enabled.
What a fiasco.
Resign,or ensure that all the village are able to connect.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
citizenx - BET has to be done per-line, it's for very long lines and you won't see mass savings.

And please, cut yourself off. You can't use the excuse of VM, they have business and peering arrangements with BT so you're still giving them pennies if you use VM.
Posted by citizenx over 7 years ago
You should rename yourself Yawn_Falcon.

Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Aw, is hypocritex getting all worked up because I pointed out the truth to him?
Posted by whatever2 over 7 years ago
Think he's just bored of the BT troll.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
citizenx - would you prefer a product that hasn't been tested?
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 7 years ago
On the exchange, Hambledon is served from Henley On Thames, and long line lengths 10km or more seem to be the issue.

Posted by mishminx over 7 years ago
Perhaps Rakey should instigate a community broadband project. That could be fun... I'm surprised at the comments though as I thought most would have found it quite funny that the Chairman of BT has such a pish poor line. Still he has hardly suffered as the use of BET shows he can't be that bothered about BB.
Posted by puddles over 7 years ago
please people, lets get a little bit of commonsense about this. he is a bt employee who is trialling one of their products. yes, it sounds unfair on the other residents, but what happpens when the trial is unsuccessful and is discontinued. if you were a customer and were told that you service was going to be summararily terminated, you would be quite unhappy. this is why trials are normally carried out by ISP staff. get over it.
Posted by themanstan over 7 years ago
Now if he'd been given a fibre connection then I'd complain bitterly. But a £3000 BET connection, small potatoes when it comes to executive (or non-executive) perks for a company with £22B.
Posted by ian72 over 7 years ago
It's likely that the chairman of BT works from home. So, what is the problem with him being provided with a network connection? As has been said before - everyone can get broadband if they are willing to pay for it. In this case BT were willing to pay and have access to a slightly different technology option.
Being BT they could just have easily provided a leased line to him - would everyone have complained then?
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
CB - because the first trials are always done with employees.

I'll ask for your comment to be removed for inappropriate language.
Posted by whatever2 over 7 years ago
Considering he is the Chair of the PLC and not an executive officer, I doubt he actually does much work for BT, and from home. He holds at least other 12 external committee positions.

I doubt his trial input would be any more valuable than anyone else.

I'm sure people are aware that VIP (non BT staff inc) are not dealt with by the same staff depts as 'normal' BT customers, so I would expect the trial experience to be coloured somewhat in the case of any problem resolution anyway.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 7 years ago
Calling other people idiots in news comments is not welcome, and no matter what the other content of the comment it sees the comment removed.

The trials are happening in 10 locations around the UK, and the BET product has been in the news before.
Posted by 2doorsbob over 7 years ago
Well at 3 thousand pounds it's not cheep is it just wondering what the cost would be for fttc ? divided up of cause with everybody in the village . i can't see the sence in chucking good money at old technology unless of cause its the uso there worried about and if the chairman needed bbi what about mobile bbi @ £15 per month
Posted by AndrueC over 7 years ago
The fact some of their own staff get to trial it first just seems sensible to me. He's probably in the category of 'dumb user who knows nothing about IT' and could be a valuable resource for the QA department.

But I think BET is a bad idea. It sounds to me like a short term solution. Typical of Britain in general over the last decade or so.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
LOL firstly at the word idiot not being acceptable but the word arse (2nd post in these comments) now suddenly being ok even though ive been punished for that in the past.

So lets keep it simple then and acceptable... If employees test things first obviously that needs changing as MAX profiling still has issues and BT ADSL2+ has had numerous screw ups... Do these "employees" have any clue what they are looking at and testing?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
How many people in this BT staff members road are also testing the BET product???

The only thing being tested here is whether people are stupid enough to believe the spin he is testing a service, rather than it just being a case of bill payers money being spent to provide services to staff in areas which wouldnt normally get a specific service.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
How many people in total in this village??
And if the so called "testing" is a success are they then going to spend £3000 on each individual in that village see they finally have broadband? Some how i doubt it. Unless someone can show to me others in the same road or even area are also testing the service, its not a test at all it is nothing more than another BT head honcho as good as burning money while some paying customers as always get no new development.
Posted by themanstan over 7 years ago
CB, it's about how words are used and directed... saying "my arse" about a trial is an exclamation, calling someone an idiot is an insult...

BT employees in a service trial are simply users if they fit the criteria for test. They are effectively real world alpha sites. Trials engineers operating a trial check and test the system at both ends. All employees are eligible, including non-technical staff.
Posted by chrysalis over 7 years ago
This reminds me of a story my friend told me. He worked in a big name large hotel used by big companies for meetings etc. The hotel itself had a contract with BT for broadband to be used by its customers, the customers paid £6.50 an hour to use it which BT took a commision from and was heavily shaped as well as unstable. Whenever BT visited a dedicated link was used by BT themselves and I was told this link followed them around, some high powered wireless link allowing them to do video conferencing etc. due to their own infrastructure been too poor in various locations.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"CB, it's about how words are used and directed... saying "my arse" about a trial is an exclamation, calling someone an idiot is an insult..."

They were not directly called an idiot. I believe if i remember right i used "LIKE" an idiot.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"...due to their own infrastructure been too poor in various locations."

Its a shame they dont just admit their services are rubbish and thats why they give staffers that little bit extra.

I hope when this village gets braodband after their so called extensive one man staffer testing its reliable.
Posted by jumpmum over 7 years ago
Hambleden appears to be about 30-40 houses, so FTTC at about £40k a cabinet would be a better cost, (if there is a cabinet!) around £2k per household so cheaper than BET. (you would need a new cu cable for all those pairs anyway) Very expensive area so well able to pay to have this provided if they wanted it.
Posted by GMAN99 over 7 years ago
Perks of the job, end of. Same with any company. I also heard the Chairman of United Biscuits doesn't pay for Digestives... /gasp
Posted by AndrueC over 7 years ago
I hear that he gets a special biscuit as well. Apparently they've worked out how to glue two biscuits together and now they're just trying to work out how balance the result on a single saucer :)
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
AndrueC - I believe it's called a 'Custard Cream'.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
CB - If BT services are rubbish where are the better broadband ones in Hambledon?

What extra do all the 'BT staffers' get?
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
jumpmum - That rather assumes there's a handy cabinet, though, and that all the houses want broadband. If you'd have to route ten houses separately anyway, and only half wanted broadband..
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Perks of the job, end of. Same with any company. I also heard the Chairman of United Biscuits doesn't pay for Digestives... /gasp"

Slight difference in taking a few biscuits that cost a few pence and are available all over the country than it is taking a 3 grand service which isnt available over the entire country. Im actually shocked BT fans are defending this, especially those with poor lines which may also have shares in the company.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"CB - If BT services are rubbish where are the better broadband ones in Hambledon?"

Is satelite available? Also thats partly the point, this service isnt AVAILABLE to Joe Public is it? If it is point us all to the trials sign up page! You know like they normally have for REAL trials.

quote"What extra do all the 'BT staffers' get?"

I never said ALL staff, please re-read. THATS TWICE NOW you have misquoted what i have said.
Oh and the "extra" in this case would be a broadband service others in the same street cant have.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
CB - because it's a trial and BT uses their own staff for them. What service isn't available? It will be when it is launched.

Presumably BT has enough of its own staff for trials who will give accurate, honest feedback.

I really can't see what the problem is if it helps get the service tested before it is launched.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
CB - 'normally have for REAL trials'. Do you have any links to trials of anything? I'm particularly interested in chocolate biscutis.
Posted by AndrueC over 7 years ago
CB - Not bringing that old 'shareholder' chestnut up again? Tbh given their financial history I think it far more likely that you're a shareholder. You are displaying the kind of ingrained hatred that surely only being a BT shareholder could engender.
Posted by BobtheSkutter over 7 years ago
Just surprised that he hasn't got a 10M BTNet Prem fibre line installed, their only about £3k per quarter.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"CB - because it's a trial and BT uses their own staff for them. What service isn't available? It will be when it is launched.

Presumably BT has enough of its own staff for trials who will give accurate, honest feedback.

I really can't see what the problem is if it helps get the service tested before it is launched. "

Suggest you go check your info AFAIK BET trials are not and were not intended to be staff only.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"CB - 'normally have for REAL trials'. Do you have any links to trials of anything?"

Sure how would you like a free month with a LLU ISP, i could recommend and get you a free month... I know of no offers on BT rubbish though, i try to ignore them for sanity sake.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"CB - Not bringing that old 'shareholder' chestnut up again? Tbh given their financial history I think it far more likely that you're a shareholder. You are displaying the kind of ingrained hatred that surely only being a BT shareholder could engender."

You must be joking all they get from me is line rental and i bare a grudge having to pay that for their decades old moldy string.
Posted by grampar over 7 years ago
cannot wait for my B.T. contract to end. The sooner I get an honest and good provider the happier I shall be.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
So going with VM then? Otherwise your supplier is still BT.

Yes Carpet, your connection is entirely dependent on BT's investment in infrastructure. We know.
Posted by mishminx over 7 years ago
You can go LLU and minimise your exposure to BT. Which is about the practical limit for most outside VM areas. Which might even save you a few quid as BT are hardly competitive or even innovative. They still get line rental for their bit of string though. lol
Posted by chrysalis over 7 years ago
Dawn, I would suggest his connection is partially dependent on post office investment (private BT didnt build the local loops), and partially dependent on his isp, as last time I checked BT dont own easynet infrastructure.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
GPO to be exact, early last century.
Posted by themanstan over 7 years ago
Isn't BET in it's second public trials cohort?

You do know that United Biscuits in it's glory days had an executive jet!

Personally i blame everything on OFCOM for not deciding on a market driven model or a fully governed model, but a disfunctional half-way house. Blame VM or BT as much as you want, but regulation makes them operate as they do...
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Dawn, I would suggest his connection is partially dependent on post office investment (private BT didnt build the local loops), and partially dependent on his isp, as last time I checked BT dont own easynet infrastructure."

Indeed, no real broadband investment from BT at my exchange, in recent years. No ADSL2+, no set date for FTTC, I get 18Mb thanks to equipment the LLU company owns. The BT parts involved in my service (IE the moldy copper) date back to days way before privatisation.
Posted by migrater over 7 years ago
Posted by andrew (staff member) 3 days ago:

"Imagine if the chairman of Ford was only given an old Ford Cortina, what would that say about the firms products?"

I've been laughing about that example for sometime lol. A flash executive type in a banged up Ford Cortina with furry dice. Such a funny image!
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Carpetburn - Still BT's. You're still paying and entirely dependent on them for service. Be a man, have the courage of your convictions! (and disconnect yourself)
Posted by mishminx over 7 years ago
Cutting your nose off to spite your face as in disconnecting to avoid subsidising BT. Would be the act of a petulant child and not a man. Such kitchen sink logic is surely deranged at best.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
mishminx - I agree, and my point is that Carpet's posturing on BT is ridiculous in the extreme.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Carpetburn - Still BT's. You're still paying and entirely dependent on them for service. Be a man, have the courage of your convictions! (and disconnect yourself)"

My broadband service does not depend on BT. I dont have a BT based broadband service...

You can argue i depend on the copper wire (i pay BT for a voice service) but in no way do BT have anything to do with my broadband.

They couldnt give me 18Mb if i begged them.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Do you even undersstand what LLU actually is?
Do you even comprehend, moldy copper wass there before privatisation?
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Do you even comprehend that if the copper was actually mouldy, you'd not be getting service, and that your connection is *totally and entirely* dependent on BT-owned infrastructure.

Deal with it, or better disconnect yourself.
Posted by Zarjaz over 7 years ago
There has been some fairly off the mark comments in this thread.
'Where are the other trials ?' They are there, Twyford, for instance.
'surprised he's not got fibre, no but his close neighbour has. There is satellite close by, but the valley Hambledon nestles in stops it getting in.
No path for upgrade ? 1 pair equals 1 meg, two pairs, two meg...not blistering, but enough for now.

When alls said and done, there are very few cheap properties in Hambledon, if the locals are that upset, why not sell up and move to where it will work.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Do you even comprehend that if the copper was actually mouldy, you'd not be getting service."

Yes i would id use satelite or cable if i had to.

quote"and that your connection is *totally and entirely* dependent on BT-owned infrastructure."

TOTALLY, ENTIRELY???? Yep im right you are confused who owns LLU equipment.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
No, I'm not. BT's socket in your house. BT's wire to the exchange. BT's exchange, providing power and cooling. Sometimes BT's line equipment and/or backhaul partway, depending on the ISP. All these things at subsidised cost because of OFCOM's refusal to allow BT to make cost adjustments.

All these things require BT. See: Nial, De
Posted by whatever2 over 7 years ago
Yes because as you so well point out, they have almost a monopoly on the but between you and the ISP, and anyone who thinks they would extend their gratitude at freedom by doing anything but the least amount for the most amount of profit is an idiot.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
whatever2 - like any company then?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"No, I'm not. BT's socket in your house. BT's wire to the exchange. BT's exchange, providing power and cooling. Sometimes BT's line equipment and/or backhaul partway, depending on the ISP."
Yep I have all that, now explain which equipment owned by BT actually connects me to the Net? Im not technically dependant "TOTALLY" or "ENTIRELY" on them for my "BROADBAND". Oh who am i kidding its not gonna sink in that i actually depend on BT for a TELEPHONE line but another company entirely for my BROADBAND SERVICE
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
BT when it comes to the broadband part of my line have no involvement... Just as full LLU customers rely on other providers for their service..... You seem to be confused between "Service" and "Infrastructure" i only depend on BT for one of the things NOT both.
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
Carpetburn are you being deliberately obtuse ? Rhetorical question of course. Ask your LLU provider to give their service without the BT infrastructure being in place. Your broadband service depends on BT's Infrastructure. If you want internet access without any BT involvement at all, which you claim is the case, then your choices are 2 way satellite, or leased line. Tell me where you can get those for sub 30 quid a month for the same speeds and services you get from your LLU provider and I bet people will be knocking doors down to get it.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Of course he is rasczak :)
Posted by Toots3D over 7 years ago
Well I had a BT representative phone me up and told me that ADSL2 was ' a much better service than Virgin '???? and I ought to change providers to them. I did tell him that since I have been with VM that I had not had ANY drop outs from service and 20 Mb was just what I needed and could they provide what VM does? His answer.....NOTHING. So BT until you can provide the best, forget cold calling people, who use VM. LoL.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Carpetburn are you being deliberately obtuse ?"

NO i originally said my broadband "SERVICE" is nothing to do with BT. I never denied it uses some BT infrastructure..... Seriously like Dawn can you not comprehend the difference?
BT have nothing to do with providing my broadband "SERVICE" Seriously you BT fanboys are funny, i use BT infrastructure, because i think their phone "SERVICE" is good, their broadband is crap though and thats why they have been taken out of that "SERVICE" equation.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Well said toots some people just cant comprehend for broadband BT are rubbish. If i am entirely dependant on BT infrastructure, then who is giving me 18Mb speeds??? Its certainly not all down to BT, though i imagine in a fanboys head anything is possible. Only thing BT provide is the moldy copper, and i only continue in that manner because BT provide a good phone service. If their phone service was as rubbish as their broadband services id be off to cable also.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
I actually think some of the regular BT defenders are jealous of people like you and i toots who get fast speeds.

They are probably in NON LLU and NON cable areas and stuck with decidedly average speeds of 4Mb or less.

For some reason though rather than complain about that their bitter hatred of those that get faster speeds gets the better of them.

Pretty pathetic but entertaining, they can say whatever they want facts are facts though we have better broadband speeds and service, something they must really hate. Boohoo LOL
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
I have full comprehension of the situation Carpetburn. Your LLU broadband relies on you having a BT line. No BT Line, no LLU broadband.
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
Do you comprehend how DSL works ? BT's "moldy (sic) copper" is not stopping you getting high DSL speeds, in fact it is what is allowing you high DSL speeds. Whatever ISP you went with, you would get more or less the same sync speed for the same DSL version. Throughput on the ISP network may vary, but BT cannot stop Easynet's local congestion.
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
If you don't like having a BT line to get Easynet, then I again ask, ask Easynet to provide you the same service, for the same price, without the BT line.

Nobody here is jealous of you, with your "I'm all right jack" attitude. Some may pity you and your attempts to appear superior, just because you have a good quality line, but jealous, no way.
Posted by Toots3D over 7 years ago
Well said rasczak, that just sums up why BT still have a hold over people in this country. Those people still have to use an infrastructure that the Victorians thought of and implemented at the turn of the century LoL. Until BT roll out a full cable infrastructure to this country, in the main people will have to live with an aging system, that is slowly falling apart, whilst the other ISP's are forging ahead to meet the next generation demand.
Posted by Toots3D over 7 years ago
I think that Carpetburn can sound 'superior' to a lot of people on here, but take into consideration, that after you have suffered with bad connection speeds through a BT infrastructure and you get cable, you have a right to say that cable IS beter than copper. This is because you want everyone to experience the constant connection and high download speeds.
Posted by Toots3D over 7 years ago
And I think Carpetburn is just trying to get that point across to people who will not go to cable,( for whatever reasons!) that they should and understand how it feels to have such a reliable service. I would never go back to copper or anything else that the immortal BT has to offer.
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
Toots3D, why should BT HAVE to roll out any other infrastructure to the whole country, why shouldn't Virgin HAVE to expand their network as well. I am not saying the BT shouldn't roll out fibre, just that if you really want fair competition, then everyone should be on a level playing field, and not giving unfair advantages to anyone but BT.

And to think, all this comment from what is really a non story.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"I have full comprehension of the situation Carpetburn. Your LLU broadband relies on you having a BT line. No BT Line, no LLU broadband."

Godd so now we agree i only thing i depend on is moldy copper cable. I dont depend on BT for my broadband "SERVICE". I could easily swap to VM 50Mb i spose you would still claim i depend on BT for my broadband, if i kept the BT phone line??
BT have nothing to do with my broadband "SERVICE"
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"Do you comprehend how DSL works ? BT's "moldy (sic) copper" is not stopping you getting high DSL speeds, in fact it is what is allowing you high DSL speeds. Whatever ISP you went with, you would get more or less the same sync speed for the same DSL version. Throughput on the ISP network may vary, but BT cannot stop Easynet's local congestion."

No iwouldnt, BT use a profiling system that limits speed.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Further more BT ADSL2+ isnt even available on my exchange and even if it were why would i want a service which is contended higher and uses DLM? Ill repeat BT have nothing to do with my broadband service and never will. Anyone with LLU ADSL2+ or VM (and getting the speed they should) would be a fool to go back to BT and all its limitations. If im depending on BT for my broadband "SERVICE" explain why i get 18Mb through a LLU company but IPstream BT services will only give me 8Mb? Who am i depending on to get more than double the BT stated speeds???
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
You are entirely and totally dependent on BT for your broadband connection. If BT and everything they did vanished overnight, you'd be cut off. Your simple inability to recognise this is indicative of your grip on reality.

And once more, if the cable was actually mouldy, you'd be having problems connecting at all. Get a grip!

(And let me point out again I can use a University system where the speeds are... well, 250MB/s from mirror.ac.uk last time I benchmarked. Yes, MB)
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
So you don't know how DSL works then do you Carpetburn.
Posted by Somerset over 7 years ago
CB is only dependent on the BT Openreach local network.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Yes, which is still BT Somerset.
Posted by Shempz over 7 years ago
If BT are responsible for every ADSL broadband (as many people here assume), then they should be ashamed of themselves.

They have systematically failed ot invest in the infrastructure, and merely "made do", while other countries have been pushing forward.

And before anyone spouts any nonsense about a responsibility to shareholders not to squander money, between 2003 - 2008, BT made Pre-Tax profits of £13.1bn and Post Tax profits of £9.6bn. I think they have plenty of profits to re-invest!
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Shempz - Well, given they're forced to actively fund LLU, you have to blame the LLU companies equally for not investing in end-user infrastructure themselves. By your logic.

And BT's average ROI hasn't been stellar.
Posted by Shempz over 7 years ago
From 2003, the dividend per share has grown every year (from 6.5p to 15.8p in 2008). The only "poor year" for dividends was 2002 (2p). Before then dividends per share grew every year bar one between 1985 and 2000 (from 3.9p to 21.9p).

Would you like me to pick out some more BT financials for you?
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Now compare it with similar companies in other countries, with specific focus on regulatory costs and ROI. *Not* stellar.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Id like to know if everyone depends on broadband "SERVICE" or telephone "SERVICE" (Not nfrastructure) via BT then isnt that a monopoly?

Depending on infrastructure from a company isnt the same as depending upon them for a service, dont think i can explain that to certain people any clearer... If im dependant upon BT for my broadband "SERVICE" then i ask again how come my ISP can give me 18Mb but BT cant? Oly reason i even have a BT cable running into my home is for the phone service, which BT are very good at providing IMO. If they were not id have gone over to fully mobile usage years ago.
Posted by Shempz over 7 years ago
Falcon....name some, and I'll check them out?
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
^^^ Not much chance of that when it cant even comprehend the difference between a provided "Service" and provided "Infrastructure"
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Shempz - Verizon, AT&T, C&W, Primus...google it. I'm talking statistically, not any specific comparison.

Talking to your pet rock again Carpet?

And I can differentiate, when it's relevant. It's still BT, and you by your own words should cut yourself off. Get on with it. (And yes, BT have to obey rules relating to market dominance)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
quote"And I can differentiate, when it's relevant. It's still BT"

For the last time you idiot BT dont provide, own or invest in my broadband service, jesus christ you really cant tell the differnce between owners and providers of a service and owners and providers of infrastructure, pretty damn funny really.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Id move to 50Mb Virgin cable but being so clueless you probably think BT have something to do with that broadband service also
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Why would I? Oh right, you're being an ass again. And do it, move. Go on, act on your convictions.

Because if everything BT did was removed tomorrow, you'd be cut off. End of story. Lying repeatedly about it is amusing but futile - BT is BT, deal with it.
Posted by rasczak over 7 years ago
Dawn_Falcon, don't be silly he wouldn't think he'd be cut off, as he seems so sure that he can get Easynet LLU on a Virgin Cable connection or through a Mobile provider.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Didnt say i could get Easynet on Virgin cable anywhere, are you and Dawn related or is it just ADHD?

Oh and if BT did die tomorrow i certainly would still have service, where i live i could have Virgin or another companies wireless services..... In fact i can only hope BT do die tomorrow, BT fanboys on this site would then be gone once and for all
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Lolz. You're making assumptions about my home internet provider which are unwarranted. As usual, dead wrong.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Really so why not tell us all who your ISP is.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Certainly, paypal £115.00 (£100+VAT) into my paypal account (newsbot9@yahoo.co.uk) and I'd be glad to provide the information. That's just for you, wider dissemination will cost you more.

What, you want the information for free? No, doesn't work that way.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
So as suspected you must have a BT based service, probably need that money to pay for the shoddy service also... You do know there are things called price compare websites nowadays along with this mystical thing called getting a job... Myself and most of the rest of the members here unlike you are not embarassed to say who their ISP is. Enjoy your sub 8Mb carp
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
As I stated, "you're making an unwarranted assumption". This remains true, even when you act like a jackass and try and pretend that it's not.

And no, I simply deal in data - if you want data I don't chose to share freely, then you need to pay for it. You are, of course, entirely unable to put your money where your mouth is.

AND I have free access to a University's 100MBit connection less than 15 minutes walk away. 24/7, I'd add.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
^^^ LOL blub stripped away = BT Ipstream customer, No wonder you are bitter, probably one of the poor saps that only gets a couple of Mb at best haha
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
You are making an unwarranted assumption.

More, you are persistently denying reality because you simply can't accept that I am posting from a nice, fast, low-latency connection. (Of which, to me, low-latency is the most important as a gamer)

You really ARE that stupid, it seems.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
^^^ Ipstream customer, as to low latency im more than willing to destroy you in that area
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Really? Okay, give me a ping to a game server.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Oh i have a much better idea go to http://www.pingtest.net/

Heres a sample of what i get...
http://www.pingtest.net/result/6105342.png

Of course though i doubt you will accept the challenge, seeing as you wont be able to use your uni 100Mb against an ADSL service. (I imagine that was your so called clever plan).
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
No, game servers. Not ping-testing servers a long way from where I live.

And no, you're just making excuses justify the fact you can't give decent pings to game servers. Done with this thread, you've thoroughly discredited yourself again. Permanently wrong.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Excuses there are servers all over the country on the pingtest site. You lose and cant compete on ping time...... Would you like me to ping one of the server the other end of the country up near Scotland and still pwn you??...... You fail as always. YOU IPSTREAM USER!
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
You are delusional. Why are you insisting I use ipstream? Once again, this is not a correct ASSumption.

And you want to compare pings in a way which favours your connection, right. That's why I insist on pinging an actual game server, not a speedtest one.

Wrong, wrong and wrong again.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
The servers on pingtest are not specific speedtest ones there is even a server from the netherlands hosted by dedicatedgamers.eu

You fail, you want to be able to perform a test on the university 100Mb line, rather than your own, and thats why you wont perform any tests where it indicates the company or ISP it originated from.

If you feel so annoyed i keep saying you an an IPstream user, all you have to do is prove otherwise. Why you are so scared to show who your ISP is nobody knows.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Face it im LLU i have better speed and better ping, dont be so bitter about it, its typical of this country and the have and have not broadband system... I have some of the best services available in my area, you dont. Prove me wrong, ill ping any server in the world on pingtest and beat you. Stick to supporting BT thats still a stupid thing but atleast you dont look stupid.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 7 years ago
Yes, I'm sure you'll use pingtest. Again, GAME SERVERS was my challenge, and you miserably fail *again*.

You make the claim, and can't back it up. Fail, fail, fail.

Also, ahh, the delusion I somehow "support BT". I support *access to broadband*, which you've repeatedly and vocally fought against you selfish idiot.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Blah blah, as i said ping test has a server hosted by dedicatedgamers.eu..... they actually provide game servers LMAO, keep dreaming you have a better service though.... hillarious!
Maybe a company and a server and that company being a company that provides game servers in your little bubble world doesnt count LOL
Posted by CARPETBURN over 7 years ago
Oh i forgot again to repeat....... IPSTREAM USER!
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