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Ofcom to announce approval of BT FTTC/FTTH network
Monday 02 March 2009 12:13:22 by Andrew Ferguson

It should come as no major surprise that Ofcom seems set to approve BT pushing fibre further out from the exchanges to consumers and small businesses who have not had pockets deep enough to pay for fibre connections previously. The Guardian tells us that we can expect an announcement on Tuesday with the rules that will layout who BT will provide wholesale access to its new super fast network. The options for Ofcom were limited since if it refused BT then the only next generation like network approaching national coverage would be Virgin Media who currently offer no form of wholesale access. Allowing wholesale access means while the technology involved will change, providers will be able to make use of it to market products with ever more exotic names.

Hopefully a green light from Ofcom will silence those looking at the share dividend in the short term. The work involved in building the new network will help to retain staff rather than shedding even more than has already been announced. For all of us as consumers we will have to accept that more fibre based solutions will command a premium price for a few years, meaning £30 to £50 is likely to be a more realistic price than the £5 to £20 that first generation broadband currently demands.

Being asked to pay more is never nice, but those where broadband has become a central component for their work or entertainment need to consider this when buying broadband. The cheap broadband providers can be akin to buying a ticket to see a film in the cinema, but because you picked a popular film, you have to share a seat and can only stay in the film for 30 minutes.

Comments

Posted by Dixinormous over 6 years ago
Very much agree regarding paying more. Broadband has become very much a part of people's lives and quality nearly always costs!

Too many people pay the bare minimum for broadband then complain when it goes wrong, while they will buy another service at its' cheapest then shrug their shoulders when it goes wrong as it was cheap.
Posted by tikka69 over 6 years ago
I'd be happy to pay £50 for a high speed connection, as said above people expect lots of bandwidth for next to nothing nowadays. It doesnt work like that !!
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
In France people do get loads of bandwidth for next to nothing, Free provide FTTH for aorund €29.99 with phone service and cable tv thrown in. They do this profitably and on their own infrastructure.

I just don't buy into the scarcity argument that BT puts forth and so many people repeat.

It will be interesting to see how places such as Bournemouth and Dundee develop as Fibrecity roll out their third party infrastructure in much the same way that Free has. Will BT even bother to compete there?
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
http://iliad.fr/en/presse/2007/CP_310807_FTTH_eng.pdf
Posted by njalondon over 6 years ago
I also found a document relating to the piloting of FTTH on the openreach site.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/products/nga/downloads/DEA%20Product%20Proposal%20Issue%203.pdf
Posted by zyborg47 over 6 years ago
I think it will be a long time before FTTC will be available to most people never mind FTTH. I doubt BT wiull touch small cities/Towns like mine, it have taken years for a couple of ISPs to unbundle our exchange and even then we only got two low quality low priced ISPs.

If we do get FTTC, there is not any nedd for FTTH, ythen I hope it is priced in stages, I don't need high speed internet, so why should I pay for something I don't need?
Posted by timmay over 6 years ago
Hopefully they will start with poorly served areas like new large out of town developments. I doubt anything will happen for even large villages that are out of range for even 0.25Mbps.
Posted by bookey over 6 years ago
Posted by njalondon about 6 hours ago
I also found a document relating to the piloting of FTTH on the openreach site.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/products/nga/downloads/DEA%20Product%20Proposal%20Issue%203.pdf


If you look though this PDF it links to a txt file with postcodes within that show where they will consider FTTP.
the postcodes map out as Central London / Manchster / Leeds / Birmingham. (Generally)
Posted by Somerset over 6 years ago
It looks like the initial rollout will be in areas where there will be a demand for speeds above 8M.
Posted by rian over 6 years ago
I will be happy to pay more, the question is how fast it will be? Will we be charge for install?
Posted by nmg196 over 6 years ago
I'd be happy with FTTC. I'm not keen on all the disruption caused by digging up all the roads, pavements and people's driveways to install fibre to the home/premises. I can't imagine there's much you can do on a 100Mb or 200Mb connection that you can't also do on a 50Mb FTTC-based connection. 50Mb is enough for about 8-10 MPEG4 HD TV channels streaming similtanously into your home. I can't see myself ever needing faster speeds than that.
Posted by Dixinormous over 6 years ago
And 640k RAM ought to be enough for anybody.
There's a world market for 4, maybe 5 computers.
You get the idea. When the bandwidth is there applications fill it.

There will still be digging to do FTTC by the way - cabinet builds and fibre runs. I honestly couldn't care less about that disruption, it only affects each of us briefly and happens once, with FTTC it'll have to happen again with the move to FTTP.
Posted by funkyworm over 6 years ago
It all sounds good as a sound bite but BT always have the caveat of only going where there is a strong business case! so most of us wont be seeing any of this soon. Meanwhile it is left to smaller companies like York Data Services in York who are already bringing fibre to small businesses and have been delivering a 20Mb ADSL service (soon to go to 50Mb) across the region and bandwidth on demand for over a year now!
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 6 years ago
Dixinormous - Yes, when people are lazy things expand to fill the space. When you have a fixed platform/speed, people come up with new and better ways to use it.

"Because it's there we can fill it with crap" is not a good argument, afaik.

Also, once there's FTTC, why would it need redoing for FTTH? The cable would BE there.
Posted by Mr_Fluffy over 6 years ago
Yeah, nothing wrong with the old ZX80 with 1kB of RAM - people came up with all sorts of clever ways of maximising its use!
Posted by collinc over 6 years ago
Dixinormous, sorry mate, but I disagree strongly with your seemingly flipant remark about "Too many people pay the bare minimum for broadband then complain when it goes wrong, while they will buy another service at its' cheapest then shrug their shoulders when it goes wrong as it was cheap."
I've been screaming at BT for years about the 2mbps average I get as an option 3 up to 8mbs customer and less than 1/2 a mile from the exchange. Let's face it, I could get the same crappy service and speed for nothing from another ISP.
Posted by ggugvrunt over 6 years ago
@collinc, then why don't you change your ISP???
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Yeah, nothing wrong with the old ZX80 with 1kB of RAM - people came up with all sorts of clever ways of maximising its use!"

LMAO if you believe certain people on this site (NO names) they will tell you things like... fibre isnt needed, what are people going to use the speed for and other similar nonsense, the same people also said 56k dialup was fine and broadband wasnt needed to browse the web....... I wonder how many of them still have dial up as their main service??
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 6 years ago
Mr Fluffy - Look at the graphics of the games at the start and end of a console lifecycle.

Carpet - There's a vast difference between 56k and any broadband (including ISDN) in latency and the web browing experience, as you fullwell know.

"Speed" is not a panacea. Reliability and sensible usage limits should come before speed.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote""Speed" is not a panacea. Reliability and sensible usage limits should come before speed."
I agree but this is where the arguement about pay for what you use and sensible usage falls apart. What you deem sensible usage may not be what i deem sensible, just as what you deem sensible usage today may not be a sensible usage amount 5 years down the road, Even if people just use the internet for general browsing and reading info, that type of usage and required bandwidth has increased over the years.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
Realistically i think even you will have to agree it will continue to grow as things become more media rich daily. Technology develops and always has, stating something like fibre or 100Mb speeds are not needed is stupid, none of us fully know the future and what the net may offer. Id like to know why those that always say blah blah speed isnt needed even sub to braodband, if its not for speed, after all a pay as you go dialup account can in some cases (depending on location) be more reliable.
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