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Timico and Plusnet start making 21CN moves
Tuesday 30 September 2008 12:06:22 by John Hunt

Timico, the communications provider behind the ISPs KeConnect and Twang.net, have today announced the completion of the install of their WBMC links into BT's 21CN network. The two 1Gbps connections will allow Timico to start providing the ADSL2+ products from BT's 21CN portfolio which give users a potential speed of up to 24Meg (Megabits per second), although this has a maximum speed of about 21Meg in practice. Timico will be looking to start trialing migrations to the new platform for those who are on a 21CN enabled exchange soon.

“As one of the early connectivity trialists for the BT 21CN, we are delighted that we have completed our pipe in such good time and are confident that soon our customers will be able to benefit from the Timico advanced telephony and IP services that we will be able to deliver via our super fast ADSL2+ broadband connection."

Chris Tombs (Chief Executive), Timico Group

In other 21CN news, Plusnet released a progress report on their 21CN services last week via their community blog. They too have their backhauls installed and are currently progressing with trials of staff orders.

Comments

Posted by MrTAToad2 over 8 years ago
Finally some ISP's have found the need to catch up with faster ISP's.
Posted by boggits over 8 years ago
Considering the leadtime for the Hostlinks this is about the earliest anyone new could have started with WBMC...
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 8 years ago
The costs involved mean higher priced packages, so bleh.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
I wonder what jokes of limits and times you can download at full speed plusnet will apply to their 21cn service?
I can see the small print now...
UPTO 24Mb....... But only on certain protocols at certain times, with a certain fixed cap which you will destroy in an hour
LOL
Posted by comnut over 8 years ago
yeah man, if you want higher speeds, better quality, you will have to PAY for it!!!!

- and if you are suckered in on a 'cheap' deal, and are now suffering bad CS, bad web, etc, and cannot get out for 12 months or longer, you know who to blame....
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
quote"yeah man, if you want higher speeds, better quality, you will have to PAY for it!!!!

- and if you are suckered in on a 'cheap' deal, and are now suffering bad CS, bad web, etc, and cannot get out for 12 months or longer, you know who to blame.... "

I pay 25 quid, get at the very top end 18Mb (regularly 16Mb) have free phone support, no peak or off peak times and no fixed cap...... THIS IS WHAT SOME HERE preached 21cn and BT ADSL2+ would bring.... so far it hasnt
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 8 years ago
comnut - No, you'll end up with less for the same price under 21CN.

Carpet - I have a typical game ping of 35ms on a generic BT ADSL line. That, to me, is much better than any overhyped ADSL2+ (with associated ~50-60ms minimum latency in many situations) line.
Posted by comnut over 8 years ago
Dawn_Falcon: thats why I dumped BT et al ages ago!!

Posted by comnut over 8 years ago
I think I said before.. the tecnology is there, able to do fantastic speeds...

BUT! all the politics, mismanagement, and general timewating messing about is the main problem...
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Dawn my service is an LLU ADSL2+ service and ping times on it from the moment i joined have been better than a IPstream service, even when i had some interleaving they were better (that may not mean much though the previous ISP was Pipex lol) 21cn and bt adsl2+ to me so far seems to have loads of issues (delays, false promises etc) wheres the non-capped deals that were promised as it would "so called" be cheaper huh?
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 8 years ago
Carpet, I've never had good game pings witb Pipex. I don't believe they're set up for it *shrugs*

As I said this is a BT line and BT ISP and it's great. ADSL2+ has latency issues in some situations...
Posted by jelv over 8 years ago
When will some people realise that for many people faster access doesn't mean significantly more downloading. I'm on Max Premium, work from home using constant VPN to the office, use the iPlayer occasionally and average under 6GB per month. Roll on 21CN for the higher speeds and more snappy responses. Who knows in a year or so I might average half of my monthly Plusnet allowance!
Posted by Rocklett over 8 years ago
ADSL2+, excellent with the highly successful exchange roll out so far, WBC must be available to at least 6 or 7 end users by now? :)
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 8 years ago
jelv - Responses won't be "more snappy", if you have a deacent ADSL connection now. Indeed, changes are it'll be very slightly less "snappy". Speeds may be higher, however.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Higher speeds with the same caps and restrictions which are found on many MAX based products for the future are totally and utterly pointless. Web content continues to grow a basic web page in terms of size in kilobits is probably double or more than it was a few years ago. Its all well and good saying your 1Gb or whatever monthly cap is plenty right now, but imagine if everything you do in a month suddenly doubles in size... An example What are people like jelv going to do when iplayer content along with quality doubles? Its not a case of if it will but when it will... CONT.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
They already offer higher quality stream versions of content which are double the size of the regular quality stream. Back in dial up days i imaginehardly anyone needed say 1Gb in a month, nowadays that can be used in minutes literally without even realising. 21CN, smaller or same sized content and caps definately are NOT the future.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Even if you just look at this site the average size per page, especially on the home page has increased significantly, with more flash based adverts than there previously were. SIZE of content even for basic web browsing is on the increase and shows all the signs of continuing to do so, it doesnt show signs that some monthly cap you have today will be enough for the future.
Posted by c_j_ over 8 years ago
"SIZE of content even for basic web browsing is on the increase and shows all the signs of continuing to do so"

More MB (GB?) to achieve the same basic result (delivery of news, information, email, shopping, adverts, etc)will go down well with the folks who think 3G is the answer to their broadband needs, won't it? Or anyone else with a clue...

Fair enough if folk want to spend more GB (and money) downloading more "content" (MP3s, Pootube, Linuxes, etc ;)) but *more MB for the same end result* is, like most flash Flash stuff, just a little bit pointless.
Posted by c_j_ over 8 years ago
"What are people like jelv going to do when iplayer content along with quality doubles? "

Since many peeps can no longer stream iPlayer stuff to hard drive (following the Akamai->Level3 change?) they're probably going to be using *LESS* GB for iPlayer-related stuff. Where it matters, maybe they'll get it off-air onto a PVR of some kind and take it from there instead. That's what I'll likely be doing, though it means I'll actually have to plan my viewing+listening in advance (yuk).
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
quote"More MB (GB?) to achieve the same basic result (delivery of news, information, email, shopping, adverts, etc)"

Hey dont shoot me im just the messenger, i dont own the internet lol but like it or not size of content whether you deem is usefull or useless continues to grow.

Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Quote"Since many peeps can no longer stream iPlayer stuff to hard drive (following the Akamai->Level3 change?) they're probably going to be using *LESS* GB for iPlayer-related stuff."

Streaming of both standard and high quality streams for me is as flawless as it has ever been... As to doing less Gb on iplayer, if they cant stream they will download it, and all the signs point to that increasing in size also.
Posted by chrysalis over 8 years ago
logically plusnet was going to be early, owned by BT so probably access to BT retail trial data and BT will prefer to use it to test launch rather then BT retail.
Posted by chrysalis over 8 years ago
dawn falcon, adsl2+ in itself doesnt increase latency just its common for adsl2+ to be supplied over interleaving which increases latency. I agree with carpetburn 21cn wont even touch quality of ukonline and BE, profiling remains, high cost transit remains, slow BTw support middleman remains. I wonder if plusnet and timico will avoid the farce that aaisp and entanet have had so far.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 8 years ago
Chrysalis, yes, in many situations it does. It's not a vast effect, but it's there.

With the pricings on 21CN you can expect, as has been shown by Entanet, for the caps to fall rather than rise.

And again, the iPlayer change will contribute to that via dramatically higher costs. Again, ISP's have in the past gone to great lenghts to avoid losers3.
Posted by davedyer over 8 years ago
Don't believe for a moment that you'll get anywhere near 24Meg. I've been on the Be 24Meg product since March of last year. The best I can get is 7.5Meg - fast enough for me but no where near the 24Meg offered.*
*The actual bandwidth that you will receive is based on the following factors: the length of the wire that connects your premises with the BT exchange, the quality of the copper, and environmental issues which include electrical interference and even sometimes bad weather and the distance you live from the exchange.
Posted by Mr_Fluffy over 8 years ago
When I was on PlusNet's benighted service a year ago my connection was capable off the full 8M MaxADSL rate but, depending on the whim's of BT's DSLAMs, could actually synch no higher than about 7Mb/s and latency was around 100ms. Download rates were usually a max of about 3.5Mb/s in practice.
Posted by Mr_Fluffy over 8 years ago
On a Be ADSL2+ connection I get a synch of 16-17Mb/s with base latency of less than 20ms to f8lure's server in France, and with a good server download rates are 13+Mbs most of the time!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Similar story to mine Mr_Fluffy, except i used to be with the horrid Pipex... Now with Ukonline, get similar speeds and pings to you :) I wouldnt go back to BT based services, they cripple ISPs with what they charge and we as customers suffer.
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