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BT Phorm trial begins tommorow
Monday 29 September 2008 10:55:18 by John Hunt

ISPReview have spotted the commencement of the next phase of trials of BT's Phorm system going under the name of BT Webwise. The announcement, made on the BT Community Forums, pegs the trial to begin on the 30th September and ISPReview are expecting around 10,000 users to be involved. For those who haven't been following the Phorm debate, Phorm is a system which monitors websites that you visit and after anonymising the data so it can't be linked back to you, generates targeted advertising which should be of more interest to you. The adverts are only present on participating websites.

With the recent police investigation into Phorm being dropped BT are perhaps happier to continue progressing the development of the system with the knowledge that UK law seems to be on their side. As the system is opt-in, users can decline to run the trial which was not possible in previous tests. Concerns still exist that if there are multiple users of a computer, one could opt in all the users without their knowledge. More details including a sample opt-in form can be found on the BT Webwise pages. Phorm also sent an announcement of the commencement of the BT trial to the markets this morning.

Comments

Posted by carrot63 over 8 years ago
"Concerns still exist that if there are multiple users of a computer, one could opt in all the users without their knowledge."

You are too modest. I think the concerns are a little broader than that. But perhaps by waiting so so long, BT are betting that naysayers will have shouted themselves hoarse by now and everyone else will be a little more inured to phorm. Since their zeal for money knows few bounds, maybe BT can start selling heroin to children as an encore.
Posted by Pigmaster over 8 years ago
And all the numpties out their on a BT connection will simply glance and the opt-in request and click OK unaware of what will be happening to their surfing. Sure once they find out they will be banging their little drums demanding "how did this happen" and the answer will be "You are a numpty who does not understand" and with that answer they will get upset with you for calling them thick and not with BT/Phorm who conned them.
Posted by Pigmaster over 8 years ago
There are many numpties out there in this world, take the simple trials in America a few weeks ago where computer users recieved a prompt appear on their browser to install Malware. Many of them clicked OK to install. When asked why they clicked OK the response was "To get rid of the message"
Posted by stevie2001 over 8 years ago
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[When asked why they clicked OK the response was "To get rid of the message" ]

I think that sums up a whole heap of People!!!!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
quote"There are many numpties out there in this world, take the simple trials in America a few weeks ago where computer users recieved a prompt appear on their browser to install Malware. Many of them clicked OK to install. When asked why they clicked OK the response was "To get rid of the message""
Please do not compare simpleton Americans to the rest of the globe
Posted by Somerset over 8 years ago
I don't know why anyone would want to get 'targeted advertising' although, cleverly, you are also signing up to get dodgy web sites identified which may be useful. Interesting the connection, or not, between the two.
Posted by chrysalis over 8 years ago
phorm is massively deceitful, anyone opting out will still have their cookies and requests passed through extra multiple phorm servers, the opting out simply stops the ads appearing.
Posted by pigfister over 8 years ago
Has anyone seen the sample front screen?

http://www.inphormationdesk.org/bt_interstitial.png

I love the way BT make out that Phorm is some sort of security service given free to it's loyal customers.

Here are the two reasons given on the above link to accept the new trial.

"Protects extra protection from fraudulent websites designed to steal details through "phising" - eg fraudsters impersonating bank sites"

"Reduces the number of irrelevant adverts you see on participating web sites"

not one mention that they want to track your every move
Posted by pigfister over 8 years ago
BT, Webwise and Phorm:
What you need to know

http://www.inphormationdesk.org/whyitswrong.htm
Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Ill do it as none of the BT fans have....

Phorm is good...... BT is good.... Enjoy the services
LOL
Posted by carrot63 over 8 years ago
The interstitial really is a joke. Doubtless it falls into the cracks between all of the so-called regulators and consumer protection outfits we supposedly have in the UK, but someone really should take them apart for that. Deceit doesn't even begin to describe it.

Clearly some of the Nu Labour monkeys who pimped the 'dodgy dossier' have found new jobs for bosses as unscruplous as B Liar and co.
Posted by zebedee over 8 years ago
Quote:
Posted by chrysalis about 22 hours ago
phorm is massively deceitful, anyone opting out will still have their cookies and requests passed through extra multiple phorm servers, the opting out simply stops the ads appearing :Unquote

"BT was also working on a separate system that let people opt out at a network level so their traffic avoided Webwise more completely, he said."

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7641754.stm

So there may be hope yet :)



Posted by keith_thfc over 8 years ago
Agree with Pigfister - its utterly scandalous that Ofcom allow BT to cloak Phorm behind this Webwise rubbish that sounds like its a must-have security tool to the average punter.

Of course if BT were forced to describe Phorm as the snooping spyware it really is then they would be forced to offer discounts to get punters to use it. They must be laughing their socks off.



Posted by CARPETBURN over 8 years ago
Ofcom and BT are like best school playtime buddies. Thats why they as its been put they "Get away with it"
Posted by pigfister over 8 years ago
keith_thfc.

i contacted the ICO to make a complaint and found out that this bullcrap misleading, page from BT was authorised by the ICO.

The link to the complaints page is here: http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints.aspx
Posted by pigfister over 8 years ago
I strongly encourage everyone to submit a complaint, about the BT Webwise page, as it is obviously misleading the public by omitting the crucial privacy implications of this data snooping debacle.

If you are concerned about Phorm in relation to the privacy of your data, or any aspect of this "trial", contact:

lee.taylor@ico.gsi.gov.uk

If you want to let the BT Chief Executive know your displeasure about Phorm spyware:

ian.livingston@bt.com
Posted by pigfister over 8 years ago
https://www.dephormation.org.uk/index.php
BT Webwise Trials - Advice for Dephormation Users

The solution for BT customers is simply this.

Find a new ISP.
Call either of these numbers 0800 800 030/0800 328 6738, get a MAC code, and leave BT now.
Posted by Kaufhof over 8 years ago
I can't see why so many people get so het up about this while referring to anyone using BT as a "numpty".

1 What do they have to hide (could be that MI5 show an interest in some of those opting out!)?
Posted by chrysalis over 8 years ago
zebedee lets hope thats the case when they launch.
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