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Details of Virgin Media cable product leak out
Friday 15 August 2008 09:07:43 by Andrew Ferguson

It is impossible to know for sure whether the figures are what will apply to the product at launch, and with the product roll-out probably still some months away there is plenty of time for Virgin Media to change the figures.

So what has leaked out about the Virgin Media 50Mbps cable broadband package? Apparently it will have a 1.5Mbps upload speed, and the traffic management will only apply between the hours of 4pm to 9pm, with a trigger level of 6GB downloaded in the five hours. Those exceeding this limit will see their maximum speed reduced to 10Mbps for downloads and 0.5Mbps for upload traffic.

Update 11am Virgin Media has been in touch to point out that there is no traffic management on the 50Mbps tier for the trial connections, and no management levels have even been tested for product launch. So it seems the talk on forums is just that, idle chit chat and speculation.

"Virgin Media will be pioneering the UK's fastest broadband service with our 50Mb service due to roll-out from late 2008. As we're using brand new technology, twinned with significant core network upgrades, we've yet to determine if there will be traffic management on this service and if so, at what levels these might be."

Virgin Media spokesperson

If the product does launch with no traffic management and the price premium over the 20Mbps product is not too large then the Virgin Media will have a product that only faces competition from providers like Ask4 and the full fibre network of H2O networks. A few ADSL2+ providers using their own unbundled network operate with no real limits, but even when BT launches fibre products it is unlikely to have a free for all of the scale Virgin Media is promising with its 50Mbps product

A 50Mbps connection, if allowed to run flat out for a month would download 16000GB (16 TeraBytes), hard drive storage for this amount of data would cost over £1000, or fill 1700 double layer DVDs.

Comments

Posted by kev445 over 6 years ago
All I can say is that upload ratio(n) is terrible. Come on Virgin!
Posted by bb4chudleigh over 6 years ago
yeah nice upload :(
Posted by bezuk over 6 years ago
I'd bite their arm off if it was say 50 Mb down 10 Mb up with a static IP, even at the inevitably huge price, but like that, nothing doing.
Posted by jrawle over 6 years ago
1.5Mbps upload is rubbish! I get 13Mbps download on my ADSL 2+ service, and the upload is 1.3Mbps. Upload should be 10% download minimum. The comment about usage limits is fair, but that just goes to show why ever-faster speeds are pointless. And £37 is far too high a price - most people won't notice any difference over an 8 or 10Mbps service.
Posted by -Alex- over 6 years ago
What's the point in paying for a premium product when traffic management hits you in 20 minutes during a download?

I'm getting around 18Mbit on my ADSL2 connection with 1.3Mbit upload. It may take longer than 50Mbit to download, but at least I don't have to worry about STM and the price is much cheaper.
Posted by c_j_ over 6 years ago
1) What effect is TCP/IP "ack starvation" going to have on real traffic (not headline speeds) with that ratio between upload and download? On the fastest real ADSL2+ lines you get a ratio of maybe 15 to one. Virgin's is double that.

2) "full fibre network of H2O networks."

"of" should shurely read "proposed by", unless they've actually built one yet?

More meaningless hype from the former Branson organisation, perhaps?
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 6 years ago
"a free for all of the scale Virgin Media is promising with its 50Mbps product"

No, I hope it's an actual useable product with deacent speeds. Hai VM!
Posted by jchamier over 6 years ago
c_j_ wrote:
>More meaningless hype from the former Branson organisation

Well Branson's never been involved with the cable side, VM only got the name when they bought the mobile business. With Virgin Radio having to change name, I can see that happening to VM in the next few years ;-)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 6 years ago
quote"Update 11am Virgin Media has been in touch to point out that there is no traffic management on the 50Mbps tier for the trial connections, and no management levels have even been tested for product launch."

A cold bare faced lie... I know someone in kent who was apparantely on a 50Mb trial at one point and the same throttles were applied to it.
Im sick of Virgin Media and their mis-advertising and lies, not even BT (another i hate) are this bad.
Posted by Aqualung over 6 years ago
If it was 100Mbit i wouldnt trust virgin.I'm quite happy with 8mb that works day in day out doing what ever i want and can walk away from at the end of the month.Rather than listen to clap trap from snake oil sellers.
No traffic management.....flap oink flap oink
Posted by chrysalis over 6 years ago
VM would be on to a winner if they scrapped STM, if they had 20meg and 50meg products unthrottled and truly unlimited the customers would flock in, even at those prices.
Posted by keith_thfc over 6 years ago
"Apparently it will have a 1.5Mbps upload speed, and the traffic management will only apply between the hours of 4pm to 9pm"

This can change at any time - as is the beauty of a FUP + traffic management combination.

Sure VM might go easy to start with but once users are signed up there is no telling what the throttling levels would be.
Posted by justbernard over 6 years ago
Even though im paying for 10meg i find out they mean upto 10meg and still only getting 3.5meg. In the first place i was on 2meg for £18 month untill i rang and asked why they do one UP TO 10 meg for £16 month, he didnt seem to like it and said he would change it, so if you sit on it and dont say anything they will keep charging you and not give you the service they should.
Posted by mpellatt over 6 years ago
All I can say is, I hope they've sorted out the appallingly broken transparent cache cluster, at least for the Bromley area, before this goes live. Or else there will be a LOT of vary unhappy customers. Not me, though. Jumped over a year ago.....
Posted by BlackAle over 6 years ago
@mpellatt

VM no longer use transparent caches as far as I know. They definitely don't here in Staffordshire
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