Bournemouth residents asked to indicate if they want fibre installed
Friday 08 August 2008 11:59:48 by Andrew Ferguson
The cost of installing fibre to the premises (FTTP) is often quoted at as much as £1,000 per property. Residents in Bournemouth in the area where the Fibrecity network is to be deployed will be receiving a letter giving them a 28-day window to indicate that they would like Fibrecity to connect their home to the fibre network for free with no obligation to take any actual service.
"Your home has been chosen to become part of this Fibrecity, and as the home owner we need your permission to connect your home. This work will be completed free of charge and all you need to do is opt in by:
- Filling in the tear off slip below
- Visiting www.fibrecity.eu
The way we will install your connection does not take long and opting in does not obligate you to use the services that will be available via this connection, however, being connected will give you the ability to 'switch on' should you or future residents want to benefit from having this ultra high speed connectivity."
Extract from letter to residents of Bournemouth
The timing is a bit unfortunate as many people will be away on their summer holiday, but a 28 day window for replying means most people should have time to reply to the letter. With broadband becoming more and more part of daily life and more of an essential than a luxury, accepting the offer to install the fibre even if you would personally not use it makes some sense. In a couple of years properties for rent or sale in Bournemouth without fibre connectivity may find they are at a disadvantage over other 'fibre enabled' premises.
Fibrecity uses the fibre via the sewer route employed by H2O Networks, and so should avoid a lot of the road works that signalled the original cable network roll-outs. At present no prices or service tiers can be given for the residential fibre services, as the network will be provided wholesale to service providers who will then specify the range of services and pricing.
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Posted by
drteeth 3 months ago
Bournmouth? Sheesh. EN4 in North London is over here <waves>!
Bournmouth? Sheesh. EN4 in North London is over here <waves>!
Posted by
sunindra 3 months ago
I heard rumours that the cable was to come up through the loo or something.
I heard rumours that the cable was to come up through the loo or something.
Posted by
andrew (
staff member)
3 months ago
http://www.fibrecity.eu/ftth.htm
Simple picture explaining it.
staff member)
3 months ago
http://www.fibrecity.eu/ftth.htm
Simple picture explaining it.
Posted by
c_j_ 3 months ago
I saw that picture back in May.
Back then, it was estimated that a realistic cost per connection at the customer premises end would be £500 or so.
Doesn't add up (yet).
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3539-bournemouth-picked-for-fibre-roll-out-by-h2o-networks.html
I saw that picture back in May.
Back then, it was estimated that a realistic cost per connection at the customer premises end would be £500 or so.
Doesn't add up (yet).
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3539-bournemouth-picked-for-fibre-roll-out-by-h2o-networks.html
Posted by
andrew ( staff member)
3 months ago
So more reason to go for the free option now if in Bournemouth. Classic startup scenario - need to have enough premises connected to network to make prospect of selling service to providers who sell to consumers.
Cost of doing a property during main roll-out is probably well down on cost of doing it at a later date.
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3 months ago
So more reason to go for the free option now if in Bournemouth. Classic startup scenario - need to have enough premises connected to network to make prospect of selling service to providers who sell to consumers.
Cost of doing a property during main roll-out is probably well down on cost of doing it at a later date.
Posted by
c_j_ 3 months ago
Absolutely better to do it while it's cheap.
Good luck to H2O, I do hope this succeeds. If I was a business wanting to link two sites without paying BT, I'd sign right now, because the cost per connect is irrelevant. If I was an investor making a commercial decision, I'd think twice. That £500+ per connect has to come from the punter sooner or later, otherwise the investors lose out. As a punter, the lack of detail would be worrying.
Companies House: afaict, tiny company ("small company, exempt")
Ofcom: no "code powers" yet (application in progress).
Everybody's got to start somewhere.
Absolutely better to do it while it's cheap.
Good luck to H2O, I do hope this succeeds. If I was a business wanting to link two sites without paying BT, I'd sign right now, because the cost per connect is irrelevant. If I was an investor making a commercial decision, I'd think twice. That £500+ per connect has to come from the punter sooner or later, otherwise the investors lose out. As a punter, the lack of detail would be worrying.
Companies House: afaict, tiny company ("small company, exempt")
Ofcom: no "code powers" yet (application in progress).
Everybody's got to start somewhere.
Posted by
c_j_ 3 months ago
Forgot to say: as a punter, the lack of detail might be worrying, so I wouldn't want to *rely* on this, but as the current deal looks to be "win-win" for punters signing up, who cares?
Forgot to say: as a punter, the lack of detail might be worrying, so I wouldn't want to *rely* on this, but as the current deal looks to be "win-win" for punters signing up, who cares?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 3 months ago
Costs completely aside I hope H2O is a big success.
A successful service and quality service this has the potential of being puts pressure on others to deliver more.
For the consumer its a win, win i see no downsides to H2O rolling out a fibre service, i personally wish them all the best of luck.
Costs completely aside I hope H2O is a big success.
A successful service and quality service this has the potential of being puts pressure on others to deliver more.
For the consumer its a win, win i see no downsides to H2O rolling out a fibre service, i personally wish them all the best of luck.
Posted by
Jayare 3 months ago
Can't help but wonder how they will cope with the likes of DynoRod or 'Ham fisted 'Arry' with his drain rods, when there is a blockage. It's all very well showing a cable neatly clipped to the side of the drain in the illustrations. Afraid the reality might not be so elegant.
Can't help but wonder how they will cope with the likes of DynoRod or 'Ham fisted 'Arry' with his drain rods, when there is a blockage. It's all very well showing a cable neatly clipped to the side of the drain in the illustrations. Afraid the reality might not be so elegant.
Posted by
uniquename 3 months ago
@Jayare. Tis only in the main sewer by the look of it, not the house drainage. Maybe you are thinking of the humourous version that was around a bit ago that showed the connector in the loo. :)
@Jayare. Tis only in the main sewer by the look of it, not the house drainage. Maybe you are thinking of the humourous version that was around a bit ago that showed the connector in the loo. :)
Posted by
ChristopherWoods 3 months ago
Oh wow - if anybody in Bournemouth declines this offer, they are a Class A idiot and deserve a kick in the face.
Not that I condone violence, but I most certainly do not condone stupid decision making when there's no downside for the resident (if anything, it'd increase the property's resale value, so I can't understand why anybody wouldn't want it!) I just hope they've worded their marketing literature correctly to hook people in to this free installation push.
Best of luck H2O, geeks of the UK are relying on you to come through with this!
Oh wow - if anybody in Bournemouth declines this offer, they are a Class A idiot and deserve a kick in the face.
Not that I condone violence, but I most certainly do not condone stupid decision making when there's no downside for the resident (if anything, it'd increase the property's resale value, so I can't understand why anybody wouldn't want it!) I just hope they've worded their marketing literature correctly to hook people in to this free installation push.
Best of luck H2O, geeks of the UK are relying on you to come through with this!
Posted by
grimwau 3 months ago
Currently on 20MB with VM in Bournemouth but I got my name down two weeks ago. If it is too expensive then I'll stay with Virgin but what a wonderful bargaining tool.
Currently on 20MB with VM in Bournemouth but I got my name down two weeks ago. If it is too expensive then I'll stay with Virgin but what a wonderful bargaining tool.
Posted by
lloydio 3 months ago
I did sign up through the website but also sent back the slip i got through the post just to know that im definitely going to have it installed!
I did sign up through the website but also sent back the slip i got through the post just to know that im definitely going to have it installed!
Posted by
CaptainW 3 months ago
@lloydio - lucky, lucky you - I hope everyone round about you and people that you know, yu're passing on the 'goss' about this, so it becomes a reality eventually - the whole project rests on your shoulders :P
@lloydio - lucky, lucky you - I hope everyone round about you and people that you know, yu're passing on the 'goss' about this, so it becomes a reality eventually - the whole project rests on your shoulders :P
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
Success relies on people actually changing from their existing providers.
Success relies on people actually changing from their existing providers.
Posted by
lloydio 3 months ago
yes i have informed all family and friends to fill out their form and send it back. even at the IT company i work for we are advising our clients to do the same. so were definitely doing our fair share of promoting bournemouths new fibre network :)
yes i have informed all family and friends to fill out their form and send it back. even at the IT company i work for we are advising our clients to do the same. so were definitely doing our fair share of promoting bournemouths new fibre network :)
Posted by
herdwick 3 months ago
H2O are 4 people making a loss with a big debt, so don't hold your breath. They do pay themselves quite well though, in true dotcom style.
Does "free installation" equal "free service connection" ?
H2O are 4 people making a loss with a big debt, so don't hold your breath. They do pay themselves quite well though, in true dotcom style.
Does "free installation" equal "free service connection" ?
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
From the H2O website - 'Your fridge can tell you when to go shopping' and 'access to much higher quality services such as telephone calls over the Internet'. I need 100M for that?
From the H2O website - 'Your fridge can tell you when to go shopping' and 'access to much higher quality services such as telephone calls over the Internet'. I need 100M for that?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 3 months ago
quote"H2O are 4 people making a loss with a big debt, so don't hold your breath. They do pay themselves quite well though, in true dotcom style.
Does "free installation" equal "free service connection" ?"
So in translation it is no different to when this countrys so called biggest telco provider spend their billions, millions (or whatever the latest dreamed up figure is) on rolling out fibre.
quote"H2O are 4 people making a loss with a big debt, so don't hold your breath. They do pay themselves quite well though, in true dotcom style.
Does "free installation" equal "free service connection" ?"
So in translation it is no different to when this countrys so called biggest telco provider spend their billions, millions (or whatever the latest dreamed up figure is) on rolling out fibre.
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
well sky started with *years* worth of massive debt, but look at them now.... keep hanging on, guys!!
well sky started with *years* worth of massive debt, but look at them now.... keep hanging on, guys!!
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
and if you mean BT, its problem is its age... ancient infrastructure, bogged down by old managers that do not have a clue, other than to stick to the 1950's rules(slow and political, nothing to do with tech..), cannot see how bad the PR and worker situation is... only see the numbers, 'people' is a diff department's problem... this is the big problem, if you have to use BT lines....
and if you mean BT, its problem is its age... ancient infrastructure, bogged down by old managers that do not have a clue, other than to stick to the 1950's rules(slow and political, nothing to do with tech..), cannot see how bad the PR and worker situation is... only see the numbers, 'people' is a diff department's problem... this is the big problem, if you have to use BT lines....
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
BT ancient infrastructure - as used by all the LLU companies! All the old managers left. 1950's rules like what?
BT ancient infrastructure - as used by all the LLU companies! All the old managers left. 1950's rules like what?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 3 months ago
quote"BT ancient infrastructure - as used by all the LLU companies!"
Apart from the bit of copper wire i think you will find LLU suppliers have their own gear in the exchange. Doesnt even as such technically touch BT INFRASTRUCTURE unless you mean the phone wire on route to the exchange... (CONT)
quote"BT ancient infrastructure - as used by all the LLU companies!"
Apart from the bit of copper wire i think you will find LLU suppliers have their own gear in the exchange. Doesnt even as such technically touch BT INFRASTRUCTURE unless you mean the phone wire on route to the exchange... (CONT)
Posted by
CARPETBURN 3 months ago
H20 may indeed rack up the debt and pay there self well with the new service, but if BT figures are to be believed they will also rack up debt and no doubt pay there self and shareholders well if they ever roll out fibre.... I fail to see the difference between them racking up debt to provide fibre and BT also racking up debt to also provide fibre (if they ever bother)..... Another poor attempt by herdwick to defend BT and slate other providers that financially have to operate on a similar level for a similar service, as BT will. (IE debt ladden but paying thereself well).
H20 may indeed rack up the debt and pay there self well with the new service, but if BT figures are to be believed they will also rack up debt and no doubt pay there self and shareholders well if they ever roll out fibre.... I fail to see the difference between them racking up debt to provide fibre and BT also racking up debt to also provide fibre (if they ever bother)..... Another poor attempt by herdwick to defend BT and slate other providers that financially have to operate on a similar level for a similar service, as BT will. (IE debt ladden but paying thereself well).
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
Yes, all the LLU people use is the copper wire. So what's 'ancient' comnut?
Yes, all the LLU people use is the copper wire. So what's 'ancient' comnut?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 3 months ago
Yep somerset i bash BT alot (freely admit it) but even i as things currently stand would take a regular BT ADSL service if i couldnt get ADSL2+ LLU at my exchange.
No way would i pick the likes of Virgin to provide my internet... The copper wire may be old but old doesnt mean bad, i bet i consistantly get higher speeds on my LLU over that old copper than many virgin customers get with their half baked misleading "fibre". Oh and atleast there are providers out there that use BT and advertise caps etc openly and honestly, not ideal, but atleast those ISPs are honest and open.
Yep somerset i bash BT alot (freely admit it) but even i as things currently stand would take a regular BT ADSL service if i couldnt get ADSL2+ LLU at my exchange.
No way would i pick the likes of Virgin to provide my internet... The copper wire may be old but old doesnt mean bad, i bet i consistantly get higher speeds on my LLU over that old copper than many virgin customers get with their half baked misleading "fibre". Oh and atleast there are providers out there that use BT and advertise caps etc openly and honestly, not ideal, but atleast those ISPs are honest and open.
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
Somerset: ancient principles and ways of working... If you have ever had to work with goverment, you will know the sort of time wasting, paperwork bound sort of thing...
I am lucky enough never having to deal with BT myself(I only found how bad, 'could not care', 2-faced it was, when I helped out a friend), so if anyone has any other explanation of why they take so long to do a simple job like moving a couple of cables from their DSLAM to someone elses, it would be interesting... or even 'good news' story.. :)
Somerset: ancient principles and ways of working... If you have ever had to work with goverment, you will know the sort of time wasting, paperwork bound sort of thing...
I am lucky enough never having to deal with BT myself(I only found how bad, 'could not care', 2-faced it was, when I helped out a friend), so if anyone has any other explanation of why they take so long to do a simple job like moving a couple of cables from their DSLAM to someone elses, it would be interesting... or even 'good news' story.. :)
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
this may answer more...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_15/b3727151.htm
quote:
"While BT was busy trying to do a deal in the U.S., it missed what was happening on its own doorstep in Europe. Now, BT trails behind nimbler, more aggressive rivals..."
this may answer more...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_15/b3727151.htm
quote:
"While BT was busy trying to do a deal in the U.S., it missed what was happening on its own doorstep in Europe. Now, BT trails behind nimbler, more aggressive rivals..."
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
another more up to date one (read the comments..)
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87369
yes, LLU uses copper wire, as does everybody except Cable...
BUT, who do you think owns 90% or more of this?? those telegraph poles carrying it, those cabinets with all the LLU DSLAMS in them, miles of it run underground, etc, etc... BT has been doing that ever since the telephone started.... Its arguable who owns the last bit, from the cabinet to your house, but see this forum..
who owns the BT socket? interesting one..
http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t22940-2.html
another more up to date one (read the comments..)
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87369
yes, LLU uses copper wire, as does everybody except Cable...
BUT, who do you think owns 90% or more of this?? those telegraph poles carrying it, those cabinets with all the LLU DSLAMS in them, miles of it run underground, etc, etc... BT has been doing that ever since the telephone started.... Its arguable who owns the last bit, from the cabinet to your house, but see this forum..
who owns the BT socket? interesting one..
http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t22940-2.html
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
comnut - that article was written 7.5 years ago!
BT Openreach own the cable from exchange to cabinet and cabinet to, and including, the master socket. Not sure how it could work in any other way. No doubt who owns the master socket, it's used for testing.
Moving cables between DSLAMs - aren't Ofcom involved in the process?
comnut - that article was written 7.5 years ago!
BT Openreach own the cable from exchange to cabinet and cabinet to, and including, the master socket. Not sure how it could work in any other way. No doubt who owns the master socket, it's used for testing.
Moving cables between DSLAMs - aren't Ofcom involved in the process?
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
Hey I know that, thats why I looked further for the newer one! :)
and BT is still BT, no matter what part.. A mate worked for them, said that it is basically 'in name only!' - he said if you have problems getting it going, it is simpler to just re-apply, due to the bogged down paperwork... this was only 5 years ago!
Ofcom??? ROFLMAO!! definition of 'limp'....
DSLAMS? I mean, moving the BT one, to the LLU one... :)
Hey I know that, thats why I looked further for the newer one! :)
and BT is still BT, no matter what part.. A mate worked for them, said that it is basically 'in name only!' - he said if you have problems getting it going, it is simpler to just re-apply, due to the bogged down paperwork... this was only 5 years ago!
Ofcom??? ROFLMAO!! definition of 'limp'....
DSLAMS? I mean, moving the BT one, to the LLU one... :)
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
When I got the house in '95, it was just TWO WIRES coming out the wall.. no sign of any other box, unless it's on the telegraph pole...
- get a simple socket from maplin, and my line has worked great for many years, until I left for a much cheaper phone deal, keeping BT for 'net only.. upgraded to VM when plusnet went bad...
see link for how..
http://www.adslnation.com/support/extensions.php
the 3rd wire is only for those phones that need it,
When I got the house in '95, it was just TWO WIRES coming out the wall.. no sign of any other box, unless it's on the telegraph pole...
- get a simple socket from maplin, and my line has worked great for many years, until I left for a much cheaper phone deal, keeping BT for 'net only.. upgraded to VM when plusnet went bad...
see link for how..
http://www.adslnation.com/support/extensions.php
the 3rd wire is only for those phones that need it,
Posted by
Somerset 3 months ago
comnut - what's the point about 2 wires? A phone line is only 2 wires! The 3rd is for ringing if needed.
Sounds like the previous occupiers took the phone socket with them!
comnut - what's the point about 2 wires? A phone line is only 2 wires! The 3rd is for ringing if needed.
Sounds like the previous occupiers took the phone socket with them!
Posted by
comnut 3 months ago
no, it was an old '2 up, 2 down' mid-terrace house, still in 1930s condition.. so the 'line entry' was just one of those old brown boxes...
http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/connection_boxes.htm
If you have seen movies of that period, it was just like that!
The previous owner was a hermit, and there was even only ONE mains socket in the whole house!!
I was grateful for this, it meant no-one else in the Q, cheap price, and my builder could rip out all the old stuff, to what I want, not what other strange fashions I had seen in much more expensive houses!!
no, it was an old '2 up, 2 down' mid-terrace house, still in 1930s condition.. so the 'line entry' was just one of those old brown boxes...
http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/connection_boxes.htm
If you have seen movies of that period, it was just like that!
The previous owner was a hermit, and there was even only ONE mains socket in the whole house!!
I was grateful for this, it meant no-one else in the Q, cheap price, and my builder could rip out all the old stuff, to what I want, not what other strange fashions I had seen in much more expensive houses!!
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Is there any confirmed detail yet on how the last few yards (between street and premises) is connected? IIRC, last time I looked, there was a cable/fibre to be trenched in (or moled). Surely there's some obligation to warn potential customers, IF this is actually part of the process?