O2 LLU coverage at 57% of population
Thursday 15 May 2008 14:17:01 by Andrew Ferguson
O2 who are one of the newer entrants to the UK broadband market look set to grow rapidly during 2008. In the first quarter of 2008 they added 60,711 customers taking their total to 131,420.
The O2 LLU ADSL2+ service is available on over 1,000 exchanges which covers some 57% of the population. The announcement earlier in May of nationwide coverage by reselling BT Wholesale services should boost the rate of sign-ups further.
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Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
Bethere and O2 are still growing, come the end of the summer you can add a few more exchanges onto the mention figures....
Long live LLU and real proper fast broadband that isnt throttled as soon as even a whiff of a protocol they dont like someone dares use.
Good luck to them i say the more exchanges they can get into the better.
Bethere and O2 are still growing, come the end of the summer you can add a few more exchanges onto the mention figures....
Long live LLU and real proper fast broadband that isnt throttled as soon as even a whiff of a protocol they dont like someone dares use.
Good luck to them i say the more exchanges they can get into the better.
Posted by
bosie 2 months ago
I second the 3G mobile broadband comment, and although i do sometimes have to put up with occasional periods of poor performance, Be*, when running good is probably faster than any ADSL supplier - have annex M. I wonder what they will do with fibre one day?
I second the 3G mobile broadband comment, and although i do sometimes have to put up with occasional periods of poor performance, Be*, when running good is probably faster than any ADSL supplier - have annex M. I wonder what they will do with fibre one day?
Posted by
herdwick 2 months ago
"I wonder what they will do with fibre"
go out of business, as LLU will be history.
"I wonder what they will do with fibre"
go out of business, as LLU will be history.
Posted by
Dawn_Falcon 2 months ago
snarf
snarf
Posted by
_TRIaXOR_ 2 months ago
"go out of business, as LLU will be history."
With the prices BT will charge for ADSL2+ I cant see them going out of business any time soon..
"go out of business, as LLU will be history."
With the prices BT will charge for ADSL2+ I cant see them going out of business any time soon..
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
quote"go out of business, as LLU will be history."
Oh yea ofcourse, O2, Sky etc who are some of the biggest comms providers are just going to dissapear and die. If anything BT should be worried, LLU has started to cut into their profits, they are behind the times only just rolling out ADSL2+ and one provider of fibre albeit for a single town already has a product. The future looks rosey and the monopoly which is BT continues to crumble.
quote"go out of business, as LLU will be history."
Oh yea ofcourse, O2, Sky etc who are some of the biggest comms providers are just going to dissapear and die. If anything BT should be worried, LLU has started to cut into their profits, they are behind the times only just rolling out ADSL2+ and one provider of fibre albeit for a single town already has a product. The future looks rosey and the monopoly which is BT continues to crumble.
Posted by
herdwick 2 months ago
BT charge less for ADSL2+ than for ADSL, so get the facts right, but in any case the point was that with fibre there is no LLU option.
Sky for example would be able to lose their loss making broadband operation if we had widespread FTTH. Nobody has an FTTH product you can order today so it's in the future but with no local loop on a GPON FTTH setup you simply can't unbundle it :-)
OTOH Sky or Be etc could do their own FTTH rollout. Be's success at attracting customers would suggest this isn't a good idea though.
BT charge less for ADSL2+ than for ADSL, so get the facts right, but in any case the point was that with fibre there is no LLU option.
Sky for example would be able to lose their loss making broadband operation if we had widespread FTTH. Nobody has an FTTH product you can order today so it's in the future but with no local loop on a GPON FTTH setup you simply can't unbundle it :-)
OTOH Sky or Be etc could do their own FTTH rollout. Be's success at attracting customers would suggest this isn't a good idea though.
Posted by
_TRIaXOR_ 2 months ago
"BT charge less for ADSL2+ than for ADSL, so get the facts right"
Which STILL will be extortionate in comparison, so my Facts STAND!
"BT charge less for ADSL2+ than for ADSL, so get the facts right"
Which STILL will be extortionate in comparison, so my Facts STAND!
Posted by
Dawn_Falcon 2 months ago
herdwick - So, not expanding too rapidly for your infrastructure is bad? You might check their corperate customers.
herdwick - So, not expanding too rapidly for your infrastructure is bad? You might check their corperate customers.
Posted by
c_j_ 2 months ago
The fact is that if the regulator wanted to achieve LLU-like "equivalence of access" with FTTH, they could do so trivially, at the level of getting bits between punter and ISP via wholesaler. It's being/been tried in the US but upsets the infrastructure providers who want more money from their monopolies.
Would that would be good for the UK? Dunno - the regulator's past (in)actions seem likely to lead the UK to a pricing and service disaster for anyone outside cable/LLU areas.
The fact is that if the regulator wanted to achieve LLU-like "equivalence of access" with FTTH, they could do so trivially, at the level of getting bits between punter and ISP via wholesaler. It's being/been tried in the US but upsets the infrastructure providers who want more money from their monopolies.
Would that would be good for the UK? Dunno - the regulator's past (in)actions seem likely to lead the UK to a pricing and service disaster for anyone outside cable/LLU areas.
Posted by
herdwick 2 months ago
failure to achieve an economic number of customers is indeed bad. You can dress it up as "not expanding too rapidly" but we'll see through that BS as nobody with a hole in their ass would invest in LLU to get an average 50 customers per exchange. So Be was indeed a failure, O2 might make it work with bundles but the customer numbers here are pretty sick as they match the mid range ISPs that haven't incurred the LLU costs.
Adding IPstream to the O2 portfolio should prop them up if they get the price right.
failure to achieve an economic number of customers is indeed bad. You can dress it up as "not expanding too rapidly" but we'll see through that BS as nobody with a hole in their ass would invest in LLU to get an average 50 customers per exchange. So Be was indeed a failure, O2 might make it work with bundles but the customer numbers here are pretty sick as they match the mid range ISPs that haven't incurred the LLU costs.
Adding IPstream to the O2 portfolio should prop them up if they get the price right.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
quote"Sky for example would be able to lose their loss making broadband operation if we had widespread FTTH. Nobody has an FTTH product you can order today so it's in the future but with no local loop on a GPON FTTH setup you simply can't unbundle it :-)
OTOH Sky or Be etc could do their own FTTH rollout. Be's success at attracting customers would suggest this isn't a good idea though."
Blah blah blah defend BT blah blah blah.... bethere upto 24Mb, sky upto 16Mb, H2O upto 100Mb........ BT upto 8Mb AKA slow old poop.
quote"Sky for example would be able to lose their loss making broadband operation if we had widespread FTTH. Nobody has an FTTH product you can order today so it's in the future but with no local loop on a GPON FTTH setup you simply can't unbundle it :-)
OTOH Sky or Be etc could do their own FTTH rollout. Be's success at attracting customers would suggest this isn't a good idea though."
Blah blah blah defend BT blah blah blah.... bethere upto 24Mb, sky upto 16Mb, H2O upto 100Mb........ BT upto 8Mb AKA slow old poop.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
Simple facts....... services are getting faster, more and more are signing up to these faster services... Bethere unbundling a number of additional exchanges this summer... H20 rolling out fibre in bournemouth, and what is BT doing.... Oh yeah thats right a RATE ADAPTIVE ADSL2+ product which some will be waiting until 2011 to see LOL....... oh yea those other companys are sooo gonna go bankrupt ROFL
Simple facts....... services are getting faster, more and more are signing up to these faster services... Bethere unbundling a number of additional exchanges this summer... H20 rolling out fibre in bournemouth, and what is BT doing.... Oh yeah thats right a RATE ADAPTIVE ADSL2+ product which some will be waiting until 2011 to see LOL....... oh yea those other companys are sooo gonna go bankrupt ROFL
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
Grab your screwed line profile ADSL2+ from BT now folks (only most of you cant LOL) you know it makes sense.
As to BT ADSL2+ being cheaper...... when it has no limits, no silly line profile tripe, and they can price it the same as Sky or offer bethere like upload rates let me know (thats never in case you got confused).
Grab your screwed line profile ADSL2+ from BT now folks (only most of you cant LOL) you know it makes sense.
As to BT ADSL2+ being cheaper...... when it has no limits, no silly line profile tripe, and they can price it the same as Sky or offer bethere like upload rates let me know (thats never in case you got confused).
Posted by
bosie 2 months ago
If fibre ever becomes a national network, it is unlikely to be controlled by BT. I reckon the funding for it will be tax payers and hence open to anyone, not just BT. So we'll see...
If fibre ever becomes a national network, it is unlikely to be controlled by BT. I reckon the funding for it will be tax payers and hence open to anyone, not just BT. So we'll see...
Posted by
Dawn_Falcon 2 months ago
Herdwick - I'd point you to thsir major business customers again.
Also, did I mention there's a chance I'll be getting a job in Bournemouth? Hehe
Herdwick - I'd point you to thsir major business customers again.
Also, did I mention there's a chance I'll be getting a job in Bournemouth? Hehe
Posted by
Pigmaster 2 months ago
BT had to chance to roll out Fibre in the 80's but could'nt due to regualtions to help the American cable companies who now have been settled in the major towns and cities of the UK but have failed miserably to come out to the market towns of the UK.
Someone has to put fibre in place, beit the Gov or a 3rd party but it has to be done to give us a truely net enabled furture or someone has the guts to roll out WiMax cheaper across the UK
BT had to chance to roll out Fibre in the 80's but could'nt due to regualtions to help the American cable companies who now have been settled in the major towns and cities of the UK but have failed miserably to come out to the market towns of the UK.
Someone has to put fibre in place, beit the Gov or a 3rd party but it has to be done to give us a truely net enabled furture or someone has the guts to roll out WiMax cheaper across the UK
Posted by
bosie 2 months ago
Um interesting - those cable companies being the ones delivering less than ADSL 2+ speeds I suppose (capped, congested or traffic managed networks)?
Um interesting - those cable companies being the ones delivering less than ADSL 2+ speeds I suppose (capped, congested or traffic managed networks)?
Posted by
Somerset 2 months ago
Openreach is looking at how LLU and all ISPs can access fibre into the home as part of the Ebbsfleet project.
Openreach is looking at how LLU and all ISPs can access fibre into the home as part of the Ebbsfleet project.
Posted by
Somerset 2 months ago
Carpetburn yet again moaning about BT... What are the LLU companies doing for the other 40% of the population?
Carpetburn yet again moaning about BT... What are the LLU companies doing for the other 40% of the population?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
What are LLU companies doing for the other 40% you ask huh? Well hopefully ignoring you, leaving you to the wonderful BT you have the nerve to say im moaning about (you can keep it if you think its that great) and leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service, thats what they are doing thankyou.
Oh and enjoy the oh so great BT, happy?
What are LLU companies doing for the other 40% you ask huh? Well hopefully ignoring you, leaving you to the wonderful BT you have the nerve to say im moaning about (you can keep it if you think its that great) and leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service, thats what they are doing thankyou.
Oh and enjoy the oh so great BT, happy?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
quote"Carpetburn yet again moaning about BT"
I was not the person that first mentioned BT, do try to pay attention. Oh and if others can be derogatory with remarks claiming LLU will be out of business due to fibre i sure as hell will air my view about an organisation, Those that witter on about the great BT are happy to do so right up until someone disagrees, well sorry but tough, others have to listen to the kiss BT bottom tripe, you can listen to me kissing LLUs, oh boo hoo we all have an opinion boo hoo
quote"Carpetburn yet again moaning about BT"
I was not the person that first mentioned BT, do try to pay attention. Oh and if others can be derogatory with remarks claiming LLU will be out of business due to fibre i sure as hell will air my view about an organisation, Those that witter on about the great BT are happy to do so right up until someone disagrees, well sorry but tough, others have to listen to the kiss BT bottom tripe, you can listen to me kissing LLUs, oh boo hoo we all have an opinion boo hoo
Posted by
Somerset 2 months ago
You confuse your obsession about BT with considering how the 40% of the population, which could include you in the future, will see a LLU alternative.
It's really helpful to know you are only interested in your connection, these discussions should be about how all can benefit.
If a fibre solution comes along then presumably LLU users of the copper network will then be able to use the fibre network.
You confuse your obsession about BT with considering how the 40% of the population, which could include you in the future, will see a LLU alternative.
It's really helpful to know you are only interested in your connection, these discussions should be about how all can benefit.
If a fibre solution comes along then presumably LLU users of the copper network will then be able to use the fibre network.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 2 months ago
quote"It's really helpful to know you are only interested in your connection, these discussions should be about how all can benefit"
What a load of fanny tosh, everytime there is a story about LLU the BT mob try to stomp in with both feet claiming LLU is terrible and BT is better. You cant get LLU, cant get ADSL2+ well tough, even if i did care it wouldnt benefit you anyway, live with your precious BT and ill live with my precious LLU... Everybody wins lavish your BT praise in BT news and maybe ill do they same and stick to praising LLU in the LLU news items.
quote"It's really helpful to know you are only interested in your connection, these discussions should be about how all can benefit"
What a load of fanny tosh, everytime there is a story about LLU the BT mob try to stomp in with both feet claiming LLU is terrible and BT is better. You cant get LLU, cant get ADSL2+ well tough, even if i did care it wouldnt benefit you anyway, live with your precious BT and ill live with my precious LLU... Everybody wins lavish your BT praise in BT news and maybe ill do they same and stick to praising LLU in the LLU news items.
Posted by
Somerset 2 months ago
You said 'leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service'.
Moving forward - how will the 40% of the population currently without a LLU choice be catered for?
You said 'leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service'.
Moving forward - how will the 40% of the population currently without a LLU choice be catered for?
Posted by
chrysalis about 1 month ago
Somerset, to be frank 95% of people here only care about their own connection, all the people with short nice lines mostly have no sympathy for people with poor lines because they know they been subsidised by them. I agree with carpetburner I do not want my isp to invest in rolling out to low populated areas it means us city dwellers like they do on ipstream would be subsidising them.
Somerset, to be frank 95% of people here only care about their own connection, all the people with short nice lines mostly have no sympathy for people with poor lines because they know they been subsidised by them. I agree with carpetburner I do not want my isp to invest in rolling out to low populated areas it means us city dwellers like they do on ipstream would be subsidising them.
Posted by
CARPETBURN about 1 month ago
quote"You said 'leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service'.
Moving forward - how will the 40% of the population currently without a LLU choice be catered for?"
The words of interest in that statement was leave me alone i dont care about you or BT figures... got it?
quote"You said 'leave me alone with a shed load of bandwidth on my LLU service'.
Moving forward - how will the 40% of the population currently without a LLU choice be catered for?"
The words of interest in that statement was leave me alone i dont care about you or BT figures... got it?
Posted by
CARPETBURN about 1 month ago
quote"Somerset, to be frank 95% of people here only care about their own connection, all the people with short nice lines mostly have no sympathy for people with poor lines because they know they been subsidised by them."
EXACTLY... If they want fast internet so damned much let them move house, why the heck do these people think i should care about them, they sure as hell wouldnt care if my connection was in some naff area and dog slow... They cant even be honest enough to cuss BT on the subject instead they have to bash LLU services
quote"Somerset, to be frank 95% of people here only care about their own connection, all the people with short nice lines mostly have no sympathy for people with poor lines because they know they been subsidised by them."
EXACTLY... If they want fast internet so damned much let them move house, why the heck do these people think i should care about them, they sure as hell wouldnt care if my connection was in some naff area and dog slow... They cant even be honest enough to cuss BT on the subject instead they have to bash LLU services
Posted by
Somerset about 1 month ago
Your response shows we should ignore your contributions to any discussions as you fail to understand how it is in the interest of the whole population to move towards high speed access for all.
Your response shows we should ignore your contributions to any discussions as you fail to understand how it is in the interest of the whole population to move towards high speed access for all.
Posted by
CARPETBURN about 1 month ago
quote"Your response shows we should ignore your contributions to any discussions as you fail to understand how it is in the interest of the whole population to move towards high speed access for all."
Your response AGAIN indicates i should for some reason care about the rest of the population, if you want high speed go rent a server.
quote"Your response shows we should ignore your contributions to any discussions as you fail to understand how it is in the interest of the whole population to move towards high speed access for all."
Your response AGAIN indicates i should for some reason care about the rest of the population, if you want high speed go rent a server.
Posted by
comnut about 1 month ago
Somerset is right: and even RUGMAN says he does not care, so why bother what he says... he certainly has no clue about the real stuff..
Somerset is right: and even RUGMAN says he does not care, so why bother what he says... he certainly has no clue about the real stuff..
Posted by
CARPETBURN about 1 month ago
LOL nah its just people like myself and chrysalis can think outside the BT bubble world and have the guts to say what everyone really thinks but do not have the nerve to say. You still keep hoping in rural areas speeds will one day compete with inner city. Well tough they wont, and we dont care. You dont care what speed i can get do you? (well actually maybe you do but its not cos you think everyone should have that speed its because you personally are jealous of it).
LOL nah its just people like myself and chrysalis can think outside the BT bubble world and have the guts to say what everyone really thinks but do not have the nerve to say. You still keep hoping in rural areas speeds will one day compete with inner city. Well tough they wont, and we dont care. You dont care what speed i can get do you? (well actually maybe you do but its not cos you think everyone should have that speed its because you personally are jealous of it).
Posted by
comnut about 1 month ago
yeah and you still use their lines carpet!! I have never touched BT for years.... :):):)
yeah and you still use their lines carpet!! I have never touched BT for years.... :):):)
Posted by
CARPETBURN about 1 month ago
I use LLU internet over a BT phone line because the LLU service is cheap and the BT phone line is reliable, services from BT are another matter entirely.
I use LLU internet over a BT phone line because the LLU service is cheap and the BT phone line is reliable, services from BT are another matter entirely.
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Pitty they don't get their HSDPA up to scratch :(