Phorm caught editing Wikipedia article
Tuesday 08 April 2008 20:47:13 by Andrew Ferguson
Not very long goes by without some more Phorm news emerging and the latest nugget is that the company has admitted to some 'over zealous' editing of a Wikipedia article.
"We let you know yesterday that we had proposed amendments to the Phorm entry on Wikipedia – there were several factual inaccuracies that were pointed out to us. Having reviewed our suggested changes with hindsight, we accept that we were a little over zealous in our efforts to make those corrections and that we erroneously removed some relevant items in the editing process. These were quickly reinstated by Wikipedia’s editors. We will endeavour to make sure that this does not happen in the future."
Email to Chris Williams at The Register from Phorm
The Register is following developments very closely. The parts that were temporarily edited out of the Wikipedia article included parts about The Guardians ethical stance, and information about the BT trial of the system in 2007.
To some extent you can understand a company wishing to correct what it sees as factual inaccuracies on sites like Wikipedia, but the line between correcting facts and removing text that may be critical of a system or company is another thing. In theory Wikipeia has a conflict of interest policy that would apply in this case.
Marketing and advertising on the internet is being pushed as being big business and due to overtake TV advertising in terms of money spent soon. It is this predicted growth that firms like Phorm and others want to cash in on, but the legal side and etiquette in this area are still very much a work in progress.
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Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
There is a difference between being critical and being factually in-accurate... SOME OF The edits were in-accurate and like any organisation they have every right to make sure things like that are removed.
Any other organisation would do the same. Frankly all this phorm rubbish is boring now, people should just change ISP if you dont like it instead of making rumours which have yet to be proven in any way on here.
There is a difference between being critical and being factually in-accurate... SOME OF The edits were in-accurate and like any organisation they have every right to make sure things like that are removed.
Any other organisation would do the same. Frankly all this phorm rubbish is boring now, people should just change ISP if you dont like it instead of making rumours which have yet to be proven in any way on here.
Posted by
Sej2 4 months ago
Dear Phorm,
Keep up the good PR work, before you know it you can edit the whole internet and become the savior machine so we can all become assimilated to targeted adverts, or hopefully your arrogant company and condescending bedfellow ISP’s will soon be outlawed so myself and my family can browse the Internet without being spied on.
Dear Phorm,
Keep up the good PR work, before you know it you can edit the whole internet and become the savior machine so we can all become assimilated to targeted adverts, or hopefully your arrogant company and condescending bedfellow ISP’s will soon be outlawed so myself and my family can browse the Internet without being spied on.
Posted by
whatever2 4 months ago
There is a difference between being critical and being factually in-accurate...SOME OF the edits were in-accurate...however, some of them weren't like the BT secret trails denied by BT at the time and admitted to later, and the Guardian's statement of why they withdrew.
If your going to be a critic, at least be fair.
There is a difference between being critical and being factually in-accurate...SOME OF the edits were in-accurate...however, some of them weren't like the BT secret trails denied by BT at the time and admitted to later, and the Guardian's statement of why they withdrew.
If your going to be a critic, at least be fair.
Posted by
Dawn_Falcon 4 months ago
It's more news when someone dosn't edit wikipedia these days.
It's more news when someone dosn't edit wikipedia these days.
Posted by
kamelion 4 months ago
Which were inaccurate Carpetburn? Any other organisation would not do the same. If they are capable of breaking the rules on a wiki what does that say about the rest of their morals?
Which were inaccurate Carpetburn? Any other organisation would not do the same. If they are capable of breaking the rules on a wiki what does that say about the rest of their morals?
Posted by
carrot63 4 months ago
There were certainly many more inaccuracies after Phorms editing of the article, which, like most of their PR bluster, was characterised by half-truths, wishful thinking and the odd blatant lie.
There were certainly many more inaccuracies after Phorms editing of the article, which, like most of their PR bluster, was characterised by half-truths, wishful thinking and the odd blatant lie.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
I will repeat, not that it is ever gonna sink in for some here.
Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP
@Dawn_Falcon... You are perfectly correct, stuff on some wikipedia items gets altered daily. This phorm nonsense has became a complete joke now, im sure the staff here just keep putting stories up about it just to rattle the wildlifes cages and have a good laugh, I wonder if they got the site memo april 1st was over a week ago. Either way still funny to watch people cry about it LOL
I will repeat, not that it is ever gonna sink in for some here.
Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP
@Dawn_Falcon... You are perfectly correct, stuff on some wikipedia items gets altered daily. This phorm nonsense has became a complete joke now, im sure the staff here just keep putting stories up about it just to rattle the wildlifes cages and have a good laugh, I wonder if they got the site memo april 1st was over a week ago. Either way still funny to watch people cry about it LOL
Posted by
kamelion 4 months ago
You can be an idiot at times CB. What happens when people don't complain and they run it on EVERY ISP? Bit late to shout then isn't it?
Your "I'm all right Jack" attitude really grates sometimes
You can be an idiot at times CB. What happens when people don't complain and they run it on EVERY ISP? Bit late to shout then isn't it?
Your "I'm all right Jack" attitude really grates sometimes
Posted by
Sej2 4 months ago
Dear Phorm, Keep up the good PR work, before you know it I can receive more relevant targeted adverts (Webwise anti-phishing too, wow if only my browser did this for free), this is what I really need because I’m too stupid to research anything myself and need all my traffic to be spied on, I’m so glad that since you changed your company’s name from 121 media its now legal to spy on users (not like the old Apropos rootkit days!) and am confident all my data will be securely stored in your Chinese servers.
Dear Phorm, Keep up the good PR work, before you know it I can receive more relevant targeted adverts (Webwise anti-phishing too, wow if only my browser did this for free), this is what I really need because I’m too stupid to research anything myself and need all my traffic to be spied on, I’m so glad that since you changed your company’s name from 121 media its now legal to spy on users (not like the old Apropos rootkit days!) and am confident all my data will be securely stored in your Chinese servers.
Posted by
Sej2 4 months ago
CARPETBURN,
What is you’re agenda?
CARPETBURN,
What is you’re agenda?
Posted by
Dawn_Falcon 4 months ago
Carpet, and as I've said before, come down here and explain it to my landlord. Or I'll just go ahead and use encrypted DNS.
Carpet, and as I've said before, come down here and explain it to my landlord. Or I'll just go ahead and use encrypted DNS.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"Your "I'm all right Jack" attitude really grates sometimes"
The im not alright jack, i cant get LLU, im with an ISP that has phorm grates even more in these comments every darn day. Well TOUGH yes i am alright jack and if you can explain why i should care you are not, im listening.
quote"Your "I'm all right Jack" attitude really grates sometimes"
The im not alright jack, i cant get LLU, im with an ISP that has phorm grates even more in these comments every darn day. Well TOUGH yes i am alright jack and if you can explain why i should care you are not, im listening.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"CARPETBURN,
What is you’re agenda?"
World control..... That should start your conspiracy mind really racing LMAO agenda indeed ROFL
quote"CARPETBURN,
What is you’re agenda?"
World control..... That should start your conspiracy mind really racing LMAO agenda indeed ROFL
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"Carpet, and as I've said before, come down here and explain it to my landlord. Or I'll just go ahead and use encrypted DNS."
The change ISP part was not aimed at you dawn, thats why i tried to keep my comments to you seperate in that post, people like you are in a tough position, though i still dont understand why you can not choose which ISP you want even renting a property, unless of course it is a shared property and mr landlord that lives there says no to another ISP.
quote"Carpet, and as I've said before, come down here and explain it to my landlord. Or I'll just go ahead and use encrypted DNS."
The change ISP part was not aimed at you dawn, thats why i tried to keep my comments to you seperate in that post, people like you are in a tough position, though i still dont understand why you can not choose which ISP you want even renting a property, unless of course it is a shared property and mr landlord that lives there says no to another ISP.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
Waits for all the idiots to change tack and now claim they are in the same position as dawn and cant change ISP LOL.... Phorm like most posts about it..... Complete Joke!
Waits for all the idiots to change tack and now claim they are in the same position as dawn and cant change ISP LOL.... Phorm like most posts about it..... Complete Joke!
Posted by
chrysalis 4 months ago
search google for http://ntp.sysip.net/tag/2.js. The things I have read about phorm and BT over the last few days makes me want to stay well away from it, all of sysip.net appears to be US based as well so latency hit to uk and eu sites will be very noticeable.
search google for http://ntp.sysip.net/tag/2.js. The things I have read about phorm and BT over the last few days makes me want to stay well away from it, all of sysip.net appears to be US based as well so latency hit to uk and eu sites will be very noticeable.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
I agree chrysalis phorm isnt a nice thing to have, but some of the comments on here are ridiculous, this news item is a bit silly in itself. I mean come of a wiki got edited, like thats news.
I agree chrysalis phorm isnt a nice thing to have, but some of the comments on here are ridiculous, this news item is a bit silly in itself. I mean come of a wiki got edited, like thats news.
Posted by
kamelion 4 months ago
I'm on LLU Be* to be precise, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stick my head in the sand.The article isn't just about a wiki article being edited as you well know.
I'm on LLU Be* to be precise, but it doesn't mean I'm going to stick my head in the sand.The article isn't just about a wiki article being edited as you well know.
Posted by
whatever2 4 months ago
I mean come of a wiki got edited, like thats news.
Dont have to read it, and you dont have to go to the lengths of then posting your twoddle.
Explain to me how the average mainstream BB customer will know the difference between how the phorm process works and how it's sold.
I mean come of a wiki got edited, like thats news.
Dont have to read it, and you dont have to go to the lengths of then posting your twoddle.
Explain to me how the average mainstream BB customer will know the difference between how the phorm process works and how it's sold.
Posted by
jelv 4 months ago
Overnight the Phorm Q&A topic on BT's forums were locked with the message "Locked thread while the moderators delete off-topic posts and those which break forum rules. It will be re-opened later today."
No prizes for guessing that will include removal of questions they don't want to answer!
Overnight the Phorm Q&A topic on BT's forums were locked with the message "Locked thread while the moderators delete off-topic posts and those which break forum rules. It will be re-opened later today."
No prizes for guessing that will include removal of questions they don't want to answer!
Posted by
normsland 4 months ago
No offence to anyone. But who cares about Phorm. If you don't want your data going thru their servers choose another ISP that doesn't use Phorm's targeted ad-system. Thankfully there are still plenty of other smaller ISPs out there. Vote with your feet people.
No offence to anyone. But who cares about Phorm. If you don't want your data going thru their servers choose another ISP that doesn't use Phorm's targeted ad-system. Thankfully there are still plenty of other smaller ISPs out there. Vote with your feet people.
Posted by
AndrueC 4 months ago
There's been a lot of crap written about Phorm and a lot of hysteria over what people think it's doing.
This hysteria over Phorm is missing the point IMO.
The Internet has never offered guaranteed privacy. The moment your data hits the telephone exchange or neighbourhood cable it's being carried over someone else's network and is potentially unsafe.
Phorm is just a minor irritation that is easily avoided.
There's been a lot of crap written about Phorm and a lot of hysteria over what people think it's doing.
This hysteria over Phorm is missing the point IMO.
The Internet has never offered guaranteed privacy. The moment your data hits the telephone exchange or neighbourhood cable it's being carried over someone else's network and is potentially unsafe.
Phorm is just a minor irritation that is easily avoided.
Posted by
keith_thfc 4 months ago
"Phorm is just a minor irritation that is easily avoided."
I think its a little more than that and the entirely deceptive nature of its trial/introduction by BT would seem to confirm that its something they know we wouldn't normally want.
I hope people do make a fuss about this and switch ISP's as its the only way the rest of them will get the message.
"Phorm is just a minor irritation that is easily avoided."
I think its a little more than that and the entirely deceptive nature of its trial/introduction by BT would seem to confirm that its something they know we wouldn't normally want.
I hope people do make a fuss about this and switch ISP's as its the only way the rest of them will get the message.
Posted by
AndrueC 4 months ago
Complaining about it is fine but hysterical rantings over how it will cripple the Internet or destroy the free world are silly.
It's too easy for Phorm to expose that kind of thing for what it is and use it to dismiss any and all objections.
Keep the complaints sensible and focused and it'll be harder for Phorm to persuade ISPs to sign up.
Complaining about it is fine but hysterical rantings over how it will cripple the Internet or destroy the free world are silly.
It's too easy for Phorm to expose that kind of thing for what it is and use it to dismiss any and all objections.
Keep the complaints sensible and focused and it'll be harder for Phorm to persuade ISPs to sign up.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"...the lengths of then posting your twoddle."
Im sorry, me... posting twoddle? Dont make me laugh, im not one of the lemmings up in arms a wiki entry got altered.
quote"Explain to me how the average mainstream BB customer will know the difference between how the phorm process works and how it's sold."
They wont and the average BB user doesnt read sites like this anyway, so you carry on whinging, its not going help the average punter avoid it anyway.
quote"...the lengths of then posting your twoddle."
Im sorry, me... posting twoddle? Dont make me laugh, im not one of the lemmings up in arms a wiki entry got altered.
quote"Explain to me how the average mainstream BB customer will know the difference between how the phorm process works and how it's sold."
They wont and the average BB user doesnt read sites like this anyway, so you carry on whinging, its not going help the average punter avoid it anyway.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"...hysterical rantings over how it will cripple the Internet or destroy the free world are silly."
Exactly, the way some are harping on you would think world war 3 has just started.
quote"Keep the complaints sensible and focused and it'll be harder for Phorm to persuade ISPs to sign up."
Of all the complaints ive read in the various news storys here, only about 50% have any accuracy behind them, the other 50% are from paranoid people just making things up as they go along, or saying something they read elsewhere which sounds good bashing material. The whole thing is a joke now.
quote"...hysterical rantings over how it will cripple the Internet or destroy the free world are silly."
Exactly, the way some are harping on you would think world war 3 has just started.
quote"Keep the complaints sensible and focused and it'll be harder for Phorm to persuade ISPs to sign up."
Of all the complaints ive read in the various news storys here, only about 50% have any accuracy behind them, the other 50% are from paranoid people just making things up as they go along, or saying something they read elsewhere which sounds good bashing material. The whole thing is a joke now.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN's words of wisdom: "...Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP"
No, CARPETBURN. Our lives are not the property of corporations. Corporations have no right to stick their unwelcome oar into our personal and private affairs.
When we visit a shopping centre, fine, they can spy on us, but when we are at home, or when we are in a public space, we have an inalienable right to privacy.
CARPETBURN, as consolidation continues, ISPs are becoming fewer. You may as well say, if you don't like CCTV walk down another street. Trouble is, that street has CCTV also.
CARPETBURN's words of wisdom: "...Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP"
No, CARPETBURN. Our lives are not the property of corporations. Corporations have no right to stick their unwelcome oar into our personal and private affairs.
When we visit a shopping centre, fine, they can spy on us, but when we are at home, or when we are in a public space, we have an inalienable right to privacy.
CARPETBURN, as consolidation continues, ISPs are becoming fewer. You may as well say, if you don't like CCTV walk down another street. Trouble is, that street has CCTV also.
Posted by
mishminx 4 months ago
"CARPETBURN,What is you’re agenda?"
Perhaps he has a keen interest in the share price... Or maybe he just thinks he's editor in chief lol
"CARPETBURN,What is you’re agenda?"
Perhaps he has a keen interest in the share price... Or maybe he just thinks he's editor in chief lol
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
According to Privacy International, the UK is an "endemic surveillance society". We are ranked extremely close to China. The only others countries in that category are Malaysia, Singapore, and Russia. We are just 4 countries and 0.3 points away from being at the bottom of the list.
Wiki "Privacy International" for the full rankings.
Try spying on a corporation and you'll be shown the door. It's time the British public stop behaving like sheep and treat corporations how they treat us.
According to Privacy International, the UK is an "endemic surveillance society". We are ranked extremely close to China. The only others countries in that category are Malaysia, Singapore, and Russia. We are just 4 countries and 0.3 points away from being at the bottom of the list.
Wiki "Privacy International" for the full rankings.
Try spying on a corporation and you'll be shown the door. It's time the British public stop behaving like sheep and treat corporations how they treat us.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"Perhaps he has a keen interest in the share price... Or maybe he just thinks he's editor in chief lol"
LOL i wish i had shares... Prices given the amount of time people would sooner just whinge about phorm here rather than change ISP and dream up paranoid conspiracy theories I would be a very rich man LOL
quote"Perhaps he has a keen interest in the share price... Or maybe he just thinks he's editor in chief lol"
LOL i wish i had shares... Prices given the amount of time people would sooner just whinge about phorm here rather than change ISP and dream up paranoid conspiracy theories I would be a very rich man LOL
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"CARPETBURN's words of wisdom: "...Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP""
Hardly wisdom, its called common sense, dont like a service, move to a different provider.
quote"When we visit a shopping centre, fine, they can spy on us, but when we are at home, or when we are in a public space, we have an inalienable right to privacy."
Again if you want your privacy change ISP, being pompass about it isnt gonna make phorm go away.
quote"CARPETBURN's words of wisdom: "...Dont like your ISP and Phorm..... Change ISP""
Hardly wisdom, its called common sense, dont like a service, move to a different provider.
quote"When we visit a shopping centre, fine, they can spy on us, but when we are at home, or when we are in a public space, we have an inalienable right to privacy."
Again if you want your privacy change ISP, being pompass about it isnt gonna make phorm go away.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"CARPETBURN, as consolidation continues, ISPs are becoming fewer. You may as well say, if you don't like CCTV walk down another street. Trouble is, that street has CCTV also."
Twaddle only a few have signed up to phorm, for the 3rd time... dont like phorm change your provider... Its not hard, even the most dumb conspiracy ladden mind should be able to comprehend that, but obviously cant.
quote"CARPETBURN, as consolidation continues, ISPs are becoming fewer. You may as well say, if you don't like CCTV walk down another street. Trouble is, that street has CCTV also."
Twaddle only a few have signed up to phorm, for the 3rd time... dont like phorm change your provider... Its not hard, even the most dumb conspiracy ladden mind should be able to comprehend that, but obviously cant.
Posted by
carrot63 4 months ago
There are currently 33 comments on this thread. You're responsible for 12 of them CARPETBURN, yet you claim the subject is 'boring'. And you're accusing the rest of us of being 'whingers'???
There are currently 33 comments on this thread. You're responsible for 12 of them CARPETBURN, yet you claim the subject is 'boring'. And you're accusing the rest of us of being 'whingers'???
Posted by
whatever2 4 months ago
"They wont and the average BB user doesnt read sites like this anyway, so you carry on whinging, its not going help the average punter avoid it anyway."
Except that bad publicity from sites running stories and comment has lead to an advertiser pulling out and at least one ISP going opt-in.
So, again, to the average user who doesnt know, your message is what exactly?
"They wont and the average BB user doesnt read sites like this anyway, so you carry on whinging, its not going help the average punter avoid it anyway."
Except that bad publicity from sites running stories and comment has lead to an advertiser pulling out and at least one ISP going opt-in.
So, again, to the average user who doesnt know, your message is what exactly?
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"You're responsible for 12 of them CARPETBURN"
Indeed i am thats what happens when people address you personally because they disagree with a view you have made and you have to respond to them. Or are you saying i should be like what some here see phorm as and not reply to comments from others that try to claim i have shares or a paranoid fantasy agenda.
quote"You're responsible for 12 of them CARPETBURN"
Indeed i am thats what happens when people address you personally because they disagree with a view you have made and you have to respond to them. Or are you saying i should be like what some here see phorm as and not reply to comments from others that try to claim i have shares or a paranoid fantasy agenda.
Posted by
whatever2 4 months ago
i thought it was boring though
seems a little illogical to me to spend time and energy on something find so dull.
i guess it's relative though.
i thought it was boring though
seems a little illogical to me to spend time and energy on something find so dull.
i guess it's relative though.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN wrote, somewhat insultingly, "Twaddle only a few have signed up to phorm, for the 3rd time... dont like phorm change your provider... Its not hard, even the most dumb conspiracy ladden mind should be able to comprehend that, but obviously cant."
CARPETBURN, then explain why over 70% of users are covered by just three ISPs having Phorm?
Smaller ISPs are generally more expensive (I know, as I'm with one), meaning for many users it's not viable for them to switch.
I repeat, try to spy on a corporation and you will be shown the door and/or threatened with legal action.
CARPETBURN wrote, somewhat insultingly, "Twaddle only a few have signed up to phorm, for the 3rd time... dont like phorm change your provider... Its not hard, even the most dumb conspiracy ladden mind should be able to comprehend that, but obviously cant."
CARPETBURN, then explain why over 70% of users are covered by just three ISPs having Phorm?
Smaller ISPs are generally more expensive (I know, as I'm with one), meaning for many users it's not viable for them to switch.
I repeat, try to spy on a corporation and you will be shown the door and/or threatened with legal action.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN, our private and personal lives are just that - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL! THEY ARE NOT OPEN FOR CORPORATE INSPECTION AND PROFIT MAKING.
The Internet was built with public money, and then handed to corporations in the mid 1990s FOR FREE. The Internet was envisioned as an INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY for the benefit of the public, not as an asset to appear on a corporation's balance sheet.
The British people are pathetic if they, yet again, supinely allow intrusive surveillance into their lives.
We will soon be the most spied on nation IN THE WORLD, even beating China.
CARPETBURN, our private and personal lives are just that - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL! THEY ARE NOT OPEN FOR CORPORATE INSPECTION AND PROFIT MAKING.
The Internet was built with public money, and then handed to corporations in the mid 1990s FOR FREE. The Internet was envisioned as an INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY for the benefit of the public, not as an asset to appear on a corporation's balance sheet.
The British people are pathetic if they, yet again, supinely allow intrusive surveillance into their lives.
We will soon be the most spied on nation IN THE WORLD, even beating China.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN wrote: "Hardly wisdom, its called common sense, dont like a service, move to a different provider."
No, CARPETBURN, ISPs have NO RIGHT to spy on our personal and private lives - it should be outlawed! But our government works for corporations and so doesn't give a stuff about us.
"Again if you want your privacy change ISP, being pompass about it isnt gonna make phorm go away."
So, if corporations install a dozen CCTVs in my home, I should accept this, should I, and just move to a house where corporations aren't installing cameras?
CARPETBURN wrote: "Hardly wisdom, its called common sense, dont like a service, move to a different provider."
No, CARPETBURN, ISPs have NO RIGHT to spy on our personal and private lives - it should be outlawed! But our government works for corporations and so doesn't give a stuff about us.
"Again if you want your privacy change ISP, being pompass about it isnt gonna make phorm go away."
So, if corporations install a dozen CCTVs in my home, I should accept this, should I, and just move to a house where corporations aren't installing cameras?
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CORPORATE MONARCHY is what this country has now, and we deserve every bit of it for allowing stuck up, arrogant, corporate types like CARPETBURN to dictate to us how we live our lives.
If the British don't fight this tooth and nail, then we should let corporations install cameras in all our homes - give the British exactly what they want! After all, what have we got to hide?
Let corporations stick a camera and microphone up all of our nostrils, too. After all, what have we got to hide?
WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO HIDE?
The British IQ is negative. How many times I hear this dumb phrase.
CORPORATE MONARCHY is what this country has now, and we deserve every bit of it for allowing stuck up, arrogant, corporate types like CARPETBURN to dictate to us how we live our lives.
If the British don't fight this tooth and nail, then we should let corporations install cameras in all our homes - give the British exactly what they want! After all, what have we got to hide?
Let corporations stick a camera and microphone up all of our nostrils, too. After all, what have we got to hide?
WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO HIDE?
The British IQ is negative. How many times I hear this dumb phrase.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
Even an opt-in Phorm is bad - as data can still be collected by our ISPs. Government black boxes that ISPs can be forced to install have been shown to collect private data when the government says it merely collects header information.
www.antiphormleague.com/isp.php
Entanet International, Aquiss Internet, Fast.co.uk, Seriously!, Orpheus Internet have all pledged to have nothing to do with Phorm, and to protect users private data.
Phorm Watch is here:
http://phormwatch.blogspot.com/
Even an opt-in Phorm is bad - as data can still be collected by our ISPs. Government black boxes that ISPs can be forced to install have been shown to collect private data when the government says it merely collects header information.
www.antiphormleague.com/isp.php
Entanet International, Aquiss Internet, Fast.co.uk, Seriously!, Orpheus Internet have all pledged to have nothing to do with Phorm, and to protect users private data.
Phorm Watch is here:
http://phormwatch.blogspot.com/
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"CARPETBURN, then explain why over 70% of users are covered by just three ISPs having Phorm?"
I have already they are too dumb to change provider and would sooner whinge about phorm and pray it doesnt happen on here.
quote"Smaller ISPs are generally more expensive (I know, as I'm with one), meaning for many users it's not viable for them to switch."
Rubbish i could name several not using phorm which are priced the same or cheaper than as an example BT broadband.
quote"CARPETBURN, then explain why over 70% of users are covered by just three ISPs having Phorm?"
I have already they are too dumb to change provider and would sooner whinge about phorm and pray it doesnt happen on here.
quote"Smaller ISPs are generally more expensive (I know, as I'm with one), meaning for many users it's not viable for them to switch."
Rubbish i could name several not using phorm which are priced the same or cheaper than as an example BT broadband.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"I repeat, try to spy on a corporation and you will be shown the door and/or threatened with legal action.
They are not spying on a connection though, LOL, it is a advertising system, they probably dont give a damn what you type into goggle, its just a system to send you adverts and they make money doing it.
quote"I repeat, try to spy on a corporation and you will be shown the door and/or threatened with legal action.
They are not spying on a connection though, LOL, it is a advertising system, they probably dont give a damn what you type into goggle, its just a system to send you adverts and they make money doing it.
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"CARPETBURN, our private and personal lives are just that - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL! THEY ARE NOT OPEN FOR CORPORATE INSPECTION AND PROFIT MAKING."
LMAO if you truely believe that you wouldnt use a single piece of electrical technology LMAO
quote"CORPORATE MONARCHY is what this country has now, and we deserve every bit of it for allowing stuck up, arrogant, corporate types like CARPETBURN to dictate to us how we live our lives."
Blah blah you sound more like an Anarchist with every post, reminds me of another user LOL
quote"CARPETBURN, our private and personal lives are just that - PRIVATE AND PERSONAL! THEY ARE NOT OPEN FOR CORPORATE INSPECTION AND PROFIT MAKING."
LMAO if you truely believe that you wouldnt use a single piece of electrical technology LMAO
quote"CORPORATE MONARCHY is what this country has now, and we deserve every bit of it for allowing stuck up, arrogant, corporate types like CARPETBURN to dictate to us how we live our lives."
Blah blah you sound more like an Anarchist with every post, reminds me of another user LOL
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"Entanet International, Aquiss Internet, Fast.co.uk, Seriously!, Orpheus Internet have all pledged to have nothing to do with Phorm, and to protect users private data."
Then jog on and join one of them if it worrys you so much
quote"Let corporations stick a camera and microphone up all of our nostrils, too. After all, what have we got to hide?"
Are you stupid?? this is nothing like having a camera in your home, personal things like bank details Phorm wont get. They monitor your browsing to just certain sites nothing more, you are a classic example of a paranoid delusion.
quote"Entanet International, Aquiss Internet, Fast.co.uk, Seriously!, Orpheus Internet have all pledged to have nothing to do with Phorm, and to protect users private data."
Then jog on and join one of them if it worrys you so much
quote"Let corporations stick a camera and microphone up all of our nostrils, too. After all, what have we got to hide?"
Are you stupid?? this is nothing like having a camera in your home, personal things like bank details Phorm wont get. They monitor your browsing to just certain sites nothing more, you are a classic example of a paranoid delusion.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN, does the word "obsession" mean anything to you? You're making your company, Phorm UK Inc., previously known as 121Media, look very bad.
I HAVE joined one of those smaller ISPs, and I'm getting a fast, reliable, stable connection 24/7 - far better than crappy old Virgin :)
CARPETBURN, does the word "obsession" mean anything to you? You're making your company, Phorm UK Inc., previously known as 121Media, look very bad.
I HAVE joined one of those smaller ISPs, and I'm getting a fast, reliable, stable connection 24/7 - far better than crappy old Virgin :)
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN wrote: "Blah blah you sound more like an Anarchist with every post, reminds me of another user LOL"
If I don't agree with what a corporation wants to do in order that it can make MONEY, I'm a "conspiricist theorist" and "anarchist". LOL.
The government has threated to take action if ISPs don't crack down on illegal downloads of songs and movies, but when it comes to defending the public's right not be spied on by corporations, the government is silent.
CARPETBURN wrote: "Blah blah you sound more like an Anarchist with every post, reminds me of another user LOL"
If I don't agree with what a corporation wants to do in order that it can make MONEY, I'm a "conspiricist theorist" and "anarchist". LOL.
The government has threated to take action if ISPs don't crack down on illegal downloads of songs and movies, but when it comes to defending the public's right not be spied on by corporations, the government is silent.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN wrote: "They are not spying on a connection though, LOL, it is a advertising system, they probably dont give a damn what you type into goggle..."
I pay for my connection, it's private, it's personal, and no one has any business looking over my shoulder - comprendez, CARPETBURN?
Once surveillance systems are installed, their uses are always extended. Cameras are now being used to record every road journey we make.
Soon, every activity in our daily lives will be recorded somewhere.
CARPETBURN wrote: "They are not spying on a connection though, LOL, it is a advertising system, they probably dont give a damn what you type into goggle..."
I pay for my connection, it's private, it's personal, and no one has any business looking over my shoulder - comprendez, CARPETBURN?
Once surveillance systems are installed, their uses are always extended. Cameras are now being used to record every road journey we make.
Soon, every activity in our daily lives will be recorded somewhere.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
This is where all this spying legislation and surveillance is taking us - into a world resembling "Communist" Russia:
A council has admitted using powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act - ostensibly passed to monitor the activities of criminals and terrorists - to spy on a family to ensure their children lived in the catchment area for a school.
"The...surveillance team wrote down detailed notes such as 'female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off' and 'curtains open and all lights on in premises'."
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=8037955
This is where all this spying legislation and surveillance is taking us - into a world resembling "Communist" Russia:
A council has admitted using powers under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act - ostensibly passed to monitor the activities of criminals and terrorists - to spy on a family to ensure their children lived in the catchment area for a school.
"The...surveillance team wrote down detailed notes such as 'female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off' and 'curtains open and all lights on in premises'."
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=8037955
Posted by
CARPETBURN 4 months ago
quote"Once surveillance systems........"
Snooze blah paranoia blah
I cant be bothered with you or the rest of the content of your million and 1 posts you specially made just for me any more. You are a cross between an anarchist loon and a paranoid fool, its as simple as that really. Nobody is saying this phorm thing is a good idea, but people like you are off in lah la land dreaming you are more important than you really are. You may want to lay off the caffine and the conspiracy movies, for a while... Now Jog on.
quote"Once surveillance systems........"
Snooze blah paranoia blah
I cant be bothered with you or the rest of the content of your million and 1 posts you specially made just for me any more. You are a cross between an anarchist loon and a paranoid fool, its as simple as that really. Nobody is saying this phorm thing is a good idea, but people like you are off in lah la land dreaming you are more important than you really are. You may want to lay off the caffine and the conspiracy movies, for a while... Now Jog on.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
Paranoid, am I? Then I suggest people read this article:
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr0005.html
I repeat, my personal and private life IS NOT THE PROPERTY OF CORPORATIONS.
As the article points out: "...traffic data...may be sensitive, for example, geographic locations or websites implicitly revealing medical, political, sexual, religious matters."
Phorm can spy on me so long as I can spy on Phorm, and all other corporations. How about that, CARPETBURN?
Why is the public being extensively spied on but not government ministers and corporations?
Paranoid, am I? Then I suggest people read this article:
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr0005.html
I repeat, my personal and private life IS NOT THE PROPERTY OF CORPORATIONS.
As the article points out: "...traffic data...may be sensitive, for example, geographic locations or websites implicitly revealing medical, political, sexual, religious matters."
Phorm can spy on me so long as I can spy on Phorm, and all other corporations. How about that, CARPETBURN?
Why is the public being extensively spied on but not government ministers and corporations?
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN writes: "You are a cross between an anarchist loon and a paranoid fool...You may want to lay off the caffine and the conspiracy movies..."
CARPETBURN, you imbecile, I'm defending people's right to privacy - that's everyone!
CARPETBURN writes: "You are a cross between an anarchist loon and a paranoid fool...You may want to lay off the caffine and the conspiracy movies..."
CARPETBURN, you imbecile, I'm defending people's right to privacy - that's everyone!
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
If the British are so damn stupid to accept this, then they deserve everything they get.
Once all this surveillance technology is installed it isn't going to go away.
PHORM WANTS TO MAKE MONEY, AND I MUST GIVE AWAY MY ENTIRE PRIVACY FOR A BLOODY STINKING CORPORATION AND ITS GREEDY, SELFISH EXECUTIVES.
If this information can make Phorm money, pay me, CARPETBURN, and pay everyone else for the data.
If the British are so damn stupid to accept this, then they deserve everything they get.
Once all this surveillance technology is installed it isn't going to go away.
PHORM WANTS TO MAKE MONEY, AND I MUST GIVE AWAY MY ENTIRE PRIVACY FOR A BLOODY STINKING CORPORATION AND ITS GREEDY, SELFISH EXECUTIVES.
If this information can make Phorm money, pay me, CARPETBURN, and pay everyone else for the data.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
This article is worth reading:
"Closed-circuit television for inside your head: blanket traffic data retention and the emergency anti-terrorism legislation":
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr0005.html
Extracts:
1. "Traffic data constitutes a near complete map of private life...The RIP Act also allows access to traffic data, but for much broader reasons than for interception, including public order, minor crime, health and safety and tax...
This article is worth reading:
"Closed-circuit television for inside your head: blanket traffic data retention and the emergency anti-terrorism legislation":
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr0005.html
Extracts:
1. "Traffic data constitutes a near complete map of private life...The RIP Act also allows access to traffic data, but for much broader reasons than for interception, including public order, minor crime, health and safety and tax...
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
2. "NCIS has been guilty of serial spin-doctoring. At the same time they were lobbying in secret to warehouse the entire population's traffic data, the Director of NCIS wrote that 'conspiracy theorists must not be allowed to get away with the ridiculous notion that law enforcement would or even could monitor all emails'...
3. "Thirdly, that although these methods in themselves constitute new and significant dangers to civil liberties and democratic society, current oversight mechanism have virtually no chance of detecting or deterring serious abuse at whatever level.
2. "NCIS has been guilty of serial spin-doctoring. At the same time they were lobbying in secret to warehouse the entire population's traffic data, the Director of NCIS wrote that 'conspiracy theorists must not be allowed to get away with the ridiculous notion that law enforcement would or even could monitor all emails'...
3. "Thirdly, that although these methods in themselves constitute new and significant dangers to civil liberties and democratic society, current oversight mechanism have virtually no chance of detecting or deterring serious abuse at whatever level.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
CARPETBURN, my life belongs to me - your company, Phorm, can go to hell!
CARPETBURN, my life belongs to me - your company, Phorm, can go to hell!
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
Another good article:
"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you":
http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol3-4/rauhofer.asp
Some pertinent extracts:
1. "...as the technology and business models evolve, communications data will provide a very rich and colourful picture of an individual's interactions, associations, activities, thereabouts, and interests.
2. "...privacy guards our individual wants against conformist pressure. Take away privacy and you create a society of followers. How much do we trust whose we are expected to follow?
Another good article:
"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you":
http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol3-4/rauhofer.asp
Some pertinent extracts:
1. "...as the technology and business models evolve, communications data will provide a very rich and colourful picture of an individual's interactions, associations, activities, thereabouts, and interests.
2. "...privacy guards our individual wants against conformist pressure. Take away privacy and you create a society of followers. How much do we trust whose we are expected to follow?
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
3. "Something enormous and revolutionary is about to happen to us. We are giving the most precious part of ourselves to the government, allowing it complete freedom to roam through our privacy. And it's not just to this government, but to the government of the future, the nature of which we cannot possibly know...
3. "Something enormous and revolutionary is about to happen to us. We are giving the most precious part of ourselves to the government, allowing it complete freedom to roam through our privacy. And it's not just to this government, but to the government of the future, the nature of which we cannot possibly know...
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
(Cont.)
"...And it's not just our privacy - it is the rights and privacy of future generations. While we are comfortable about handing this information over to the state, the citizens of the future may feel strongly about our complacency and our faith in the British government. We have a duty to those people just as all the people who fought for the rights we enjoy today felt a sense of obligation to us."
(Cont.)
"...And it's not just our privacy - it is the rights and privacy of future generations. While we are comfortable about handing this information over to the state, the citizens of the future may feel strongly about our complacency and our faith in the British government. We have a duty to those people just as all the people who fought for the rights we enjoy today felt a sense of obligation to us."
Posted by
andrew (
staff member)
4 months ago
To Jake12345:
The news comments are just for comments, not long debates or arguments. For that we have bbs.adslguide.org.uk which also does not have a character limit on each comment.
staff member)
4 months ago
To Jake12345:
The news comments are just for comments, not long debates or arguments. For that we have bbs.adslguide.org.uk which also does not have a character limit on each comment.
Posted by
Jake12345 4 months ago
To andrew:
Why don't you have a go at CARPETBURN for calling me an "anarchist loon" and "paranoid fool".
CARPETBURN is allowed to spout propaganda for Phorm, and the public have no right to reply, is that it?
To hell with Britain - a spineless people that make me embarrassed to be British - and to hell with thinkbroadband.com
And for all those who love corporations, read www.markcurtis.info and see why the public has a right to use these forums to inform others, rather than be censored by thinkbroadband.com and Phorm.
To andrew:
Why don't you have a go at CARPETBURN for calling me an "anarchist loon" and "paranoid fool".
CARPETBURN is allowed to spout propaganda for Phorm, and the public have no right to reply, is that it?
To hell with Britain - a spineless people that make me embarrassed to be British - and to hell with thinkbroadband.com
And for all those who love corporations, read www.markcurtis.info and see why the public has a right to use these forums to inform others, rather than be censored by thinkbroadband.com and Phorm.
Posted by
jake123456 4 months ago
To andrew:
Why doesn't thinkbroadband write articles that inform the public of the risks of such widespread surveillance, instead of merely reporting events with no analysis and no insight?
I've given links to two academic articles thinkbroad.com could have used. But, like all businesses, you have no priority to look after the public interest.
To andrew:
Why doesn't thinkbroadband write articles that inform the public of the risks of such widespread surveillance, instead of merely reporting events with no analysis and no insight?
I've given links to two academic articles thinkbroad.com could have used. But, like all businesses, you have no priority to look after the public interest.
Posted by
jake123456 4 months ago
Under the Private Finance Initiative (PFI), public assets - hospitals, schools, libraries, sports centres, bridges, etc. - are being bulldozed unnecessarily, and new ones built owned by corporations.
It's complete corporate control - assets that the public once owned gone for good - and now the Internet is next on the list.
And, you, andrew are part of this. All I have are these pathetic forums to express my views, and it's all a complete waste of time - the masses want to be entertained like children, not bothered with matters than concern grown ups.
Under the Private Finance Initiative (PFI), public assets - hospitals, schools, libraries, sports centres, bridges, etc. - are being bulldozed unnecessarily, and new ones built owned by corporations.
It's complete corporate control - assets that the public once owned gone for good - and now the Internet is next on the list.
And, you, andrew are part of this. All I have are these pathetic forums to express my views, and it's all a complete waste of time - the masses want to be entertained like children, not bothered with matters than concern grown ups.
Posted by
jake54321 4 months ago
My last post on this site. CARPETBURN makes me physically sick when he screams, "CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!".
If I were a company talking about other companies, this would be called collusion, NOT a "conspiracy theory". Cartels are an example of collusion. Firms already collude in order to find out if an individual is credit worthy. If you haven't paid your bills on time in the past, if you've gone many times over your overdraft limit at the bank, the data is recorded and shared with other companies.
My last post on this site. CARPETBURN makes me physically sick when he screams, "CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!".
If I were a company talking about other companies, this would be called collusion, NOT a "conspiracy theory". Cartels are an example of collusion. Firms already collude in order to find out if an individual is credit worthy. If you haven't paid your bills on time in the past, if you've gone many times over your overdraft limit at the bank, the data is recorded and shared with other companies.
Posted by
jake54321 4 months ago
In the U.S., schemes have already been piloted whereby a customer is denied a table at a restaurant because, having checked their database, they've discovered the customer doesn't tip, and/or fails to turn up.
Phorm is a massive expansion of this data gathering, and the closest companies have got to spying directly into our homes and gleaning extremely personal information about our lives.
New York Times article on what companies can use systems like Phorm for:
http://tinyurl.com/52mf9b
Even with opt-out, Phorm is bad, because it will set a precedent.
And now I'm gone from this forum.
In the U.S., schemes have already been piloted whereby a customer is denied a table at a restaurant because, having checked their database, they've discovered the customer doesn't tip, and/or fails to turn up.
Phorm is a massive expansion of this data gathering, and the closest companies have got to spying directly into our homes and gleaning extremely personal information about our lives.
New York Times article on what companies can use systems like Phorm for:
http://tinyurl.com/52mf9b
Even with opt-out, Phorm is bad, because it will set a precedent.
And now I'm gone from this forum.
Posted by
comnut 4 months ago
- and there is one thing we say to you, jake.... <<<<yawn..>>>
when you grow up, and find out about 'real life' - you will find that the only customer that is king, is that who *pays their bills* and gives companies a possiblity to survive so they can pay their bills...
- and there is one thing we say to you, jake.... <<<<yawn..>>>
when you grow up, and find out about 'real life' - you will find that the only customer that is king, is that who *pays their bills* and gives companies a possiblity to survive so they can pay their bills...
Posted by
Faplock 4 months ago
SNip <<The government has threated to take action if ISPs don't crack down on illegal downloads of songs and movies, but when it comes to defending the public's right not be spied on by corporations, the government is silent.>>
This may well be because New Labour receives so much money from these firms. IMHO payments to "The Party" are just as corrupt as payments to the individual.
SNip <<The government has threated to take action if ISPs don't crack down on illegal downloads of songs and movies, but when it comes to defending the public's right not be spied on by corporations, the government is silent.>>
This may well be because New Labour receives so much money from these firms. IMHO payments to "The Party" are just as corrupt as payments to the individual.
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Amending an article which is critical of them?? And they say they're above board? I'd rather believe Gordon Brown!!