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UK exports bandwidth pricing with Time Warner trial
Friday 18 January 2008 18:30:02 by Andrew Ferguson

The UK may be a bit slow at adopting technologies like fibre to the home but it seems we may be leading the market in terms of how broadband is sold. Time Warner in the US is set to run a price trial in Beaumont, Texas giving consumers four price options with each price point carrying a specific usage allowance.

The Ovum analyst Mark Seery has made some comments on the proposed trial which can be read at www.InfoWorld.com. If the pricing is such that those who just do a little web browsing can pay a lot less per month, and those that have embraced video over the internet or cannot rip themselves away from online games will pay more, then some will embrace it and others hate it.

In the face of traffic management and heavy broadband users getting thrown off their services and a market that would appear to expect pricing to generally go down year on year, rather than rise to keep pace with our ever increasing usage, it is clear that providers around the world will be looking at ways to ensure that their books balance, and where investment has been made in new networks that they will get this back with profits in time.

The UK pricing model may seem attractive to those overseas, but in a market where the difference in price between a 5GB usage allowance and an 'unlimited' service can be just a couple of pounds and providers use traffic management on these unlimited packages to the extent that people find they cannot use services like BBC iPlayer in the evenings the attractiveness soon goes away.

Comments

Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 9 years ago
The vast majority of games are low bandwidth. They are ping and packet loss sensitive, which is entirely different from high bandwidth.

And the UK pricing model is, by far and large, FUD FUP policies...
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 9 years ago
64Kbps constantly for 5 or 6 hours a day does add up over the course of a month and as gamers seem to have to download patches and demos that run into GB size these days, gaming can be a heavy activity
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
You cant even really compare this to the UK situation with most BT max products.
Unless im wrong Time Warner services in the states are cable or some type of fibre based meaning faster speeds in most cases compared to what an upto 8Mb MAX user gets here...
Or in simple terms... They may have a limit but have decent speeds to reach that limit, this hell hole and BT services have naff speeds for a fair share of the UK and ISPs also impose limits... i know what id sooner have.
Posted by herdwick over 9 years ago
"this hell hole " - please leave, we'll pay for a one way flight to ease your psychotic disturbance.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/centraltx/Products/Internet/RoadRunner/speed.html
has three products :-

1. Faster surfing speed up to 768Kbps downstream
2. 3 Mbps download x 384 Kbps upload
3. as fast as 10 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up**

**Up to 10 Mbps down x 1 Mbps up is based on the speed from the local facility to your cable modem. Actual throughput speeds may vary. Not available in all areas.



Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
I did say "Unless im wrong" which im not, heres there fibre service...
http://www.twcbc.com/model/products/data/dia.html
As i said it cant be compared to any MAX product
As for the "please leave, we'll pay for a one way flight" comment you have said that to me and others before... maybe you forgot or you are the one with a psych. problem. Oh and for residential services in areas they offer 1.5MB.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Point is if you are willing to pay for it from them you can still get a top notch connection and top notch speeds... Again unlike MAX here.
Posted by Dawn_Falcon over 9 years ago
Andrew, not compared to p2p downloads, streaming media or a number of other "modern" internet activities.

Moreover, I stand by the point on FUP FUD.
Posted by KarlAustin over 9 years ago
lol, CARPETBURN, that link to DIA is for Leased Lines, you can get the exact same service over here as well. I can get 1 Gig to my house if I want, if I am prepared to pay, in fact I can get 10Gig if I really want to, delivered over a fiber network. So you're comparing Apples to the Space Shuttle really, by comparing DIA to TWTC cable service, same as you are if you compare ADSL/Cable over here to Leased Lines.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Actually KarlAustin... This is their bottom end service http://www.twcbc.com/model/products/data/access/broadband_high_speed.html with speeds as low as 256k, if you read though its still based on a fiber network. (its similar to virgin)
The http://www.twcbc.com/model/products/data/dia.html service i mentioned is actually only their mid range business product this is their top end product http://www.twcbc.com/model/products/data/metroethernet.html dedicated point to point ethernet
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
It makes a complete mockery of what many comms companys in this country would freely advertised and offer to anyone. I dread to think what BT would charge if you wanted a setup like that... Infact in alot of instances they wouldnt or couldnt supply it. As i said originally you cant compare them to services here not only is the infrastructure different to that of BTs but so are the choice of products, comparing them to the UK is a joke.
Posted by bosie over 9 years ago
If this is what we're exporting, shame on us.
Posted by KarlAustin over 9 years ago
BT do Metroethernet, I can think of 5 or 6 companies that do it. As I said, you can get Leased Line, Metroethernet in the UK without a problem. So yes, you can compare the choice of products - if you look, the information is there, even on BT sites (if you wanted to choose BT as your provider of said services).
Posted by herdwick over 9 years ago
"heres there fibre service..." oh yes, a leased line service. How much is that per month then ?

Face it, the residential "Road Runner" products are :-

1. Faster surfing speed up to 768Kbps downstream
2. 3 Mbps download x 384 Kbps upload
3. as fast as 10 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up**

Wow. I'm so envious. ROTFLMAO.

The USA is the last place to look for widely available better quality broadband. Most markets are local monopolies with zero choice.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"BT do Metroethernet, I can think of 5 or 6 companies that do it. As I said, you can get Leased Line, Metroethernet in the UK without a problem."
Thats twaddle, been through this before... The estate i work on (slap bang in the middle of a busy town full of business also) BT wont supply anything like that to. Another business person i know who is more rural based cant even have MAX (infact he can hardly even have a phone the poles and cables are so damn old they are constantly been patched back up)
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Like i said you cant compare The Time Warner thing to the UK, the services are entirely different and its clear if you dont want a throttled to death slow pile of poop connection from Time Warner, you dont have to (as long as you put hand in wallet). Herdwick as usual you just cant see a bigger picture you are so far up BT you praise them more than even they do thereself. The day BT can offer ALL their customers all the services they are capable of delivering to minoritys, is the day ill compare them to a company with numerous solutions.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 9 years ago
"The day BT can offer ALL their customers all the services they are capable of delivering to minoritys"

The day that happens in any country is the day when £2 million lands in my bank account by mistake.
Posted by KarlAustin over 9 years ago
lol, you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you expect any country to have the same services available to everyone. As for BT not wanting to supply you, yes we've been there before, BT aren't the only supplier (They most likely have a no-compete clause for the estate) - I was speaking to a provider about getting DarkFiber to an estate in the middle of nowhere the other day, perfectly possible. BT are not the only choice. It's the same as with any developed country, if you want the service, and are willing to pay the going rate for it, then it is available.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"lol, you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you expect any country to have the same services available to everyone."
Perhaps in your opinion clearly you have not looked through time warners sites, as unlike BT the content you see about services available is based entirely on where you say you live in the united states. Maybe this is something providers here should be forced into... Especially given 21CN is coming and many will expect a nice speed boost but ultimately not get one.
Posted by andrew (Favicon staff member) over 9 years ago
Okay so where in the UK is the Max products not available? The answer at about 200 exchanges covering 20,000 or so households, and even then a basic 0.5Mbps is available.

Does the TimeWarner site give details on the speeds available? The US ZIP code system means a whole small town will have the same 5 digit zip, whereas a UK postcode is generally a block of 15-20 homes.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"Okay so where in the UK is the Max products not available? The answer at about 200 exchanges covering 20,000 or so households, and even then a basic 0.5Mbps is available.
Does the TimeWarner site give details on the speeds available? The US ZIP code system means a whole small town will have the same 5 digit zip, whereas a UK postcode is generally a block of 15-20 homes." Which is my point it cant be compared to the UK its an entirely different system from start to finish. Timewarner lists speed available during sign up process. Thats about the only thing similar to many ISPs here.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Factors like how much cash they make per subscriber, the infrasturcture the service is provide over, how many people they have to supply and soooo much more is a complete contrat to this country. Saying they took a UK pricing or service model is stupid, you may as well say any ISP anywhere in the world that caps or limits their services copied the UK.
Posted by chrysalis over 9 years ago
As I understand it users in the USA are not anywhere near as heavily throttled as we get here I think thats the point carpetburn is making in addition cable is more popular there as well as some companies starting consumer FTTH. UK is ahead in traffic shaping USA is ahead in performance. Which do you prefer?
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