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O2 Broadband details leaking out
Wednesday 03 October 2007 13:17:37 by Andrew Ferguson

O2, who are owned by Telefonica, are believed to be very close to launching their broadband packages. The expected date for full details of the various bundles is 15th October 2007.

Since O2 are primarily a mobile provider, the fact that O2 contract customers will get a discount should come as no surprise. The discounted prices are thought to be:

  • Up to 8Mbps: £10 per month
  • Up to 16Mbps: £12 per month
  • Up to 24Mbps: £15 per month

No products are expected to carry a specific usage allowance, but rather a fair use policy. Other details of the packages suggest customers will get a router, McAfee security and anti-virus software, an 0800 support line and 100 free text messages that can be used online.

For those that don't already know, the O2 service to some extent already exists as Telefonica will be building on the ground base that Be has built up over the last couple of years. Be are currently thought to have a userbase of around 31,000 customers. For those in the UK able to get the Be service, its Be Pro package at £40 a month offers an impressive up to 2.5Mbps upload speed which is the fastest upstream speed of any consumer broadband provider.

Update 4th October 2007:

More reliable price indications have appeared from O2 UK Chief Executive Matthew Key and can be read in full at Reuters.co.uk.

The bottom package is set to be an up to 8Mbps service at £7.50 a month, £10 a month increases the maximum speed to 16Mbps and £15 a month for an up to 20Mbps service. The additional fee for those without an O2 will be £10 a month.

Somewhat worrying is the comment about checking post codes to ensure service speeds will be available in an area. The post code checkers are less reliable than checking a specific telephone line, which itself is less reliable than actually looking at live data from the actual ADSL/ADSL2+ line.

Comments

Posted by pepsi_max2k over 9 years ago
any ideas about pricing for non contract customers?
Posted by hoodamanny over 9 years ago
And there goes "Be" down the toilet! OK people where next???? face it, the cost savings have to come somewhere!
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote "No products are expected to carry a specific usage allowance, but rather a fair use policy"

Big mobile company + that statement = bethere service flushed down the toilet.
Posted by as6670 over 9 years ago
As a current BE customer paying £24/month and getting 12 meg on the download and 1.4 meg on the upload i would be quite happy to switch over to O2 for the £15 package. I have no complaints with O2 or BE so this looks like a good switch for me.
Posted by semo1 over 9 years ago
if i can get 16mbps for £12/month on any o2 mobile phone contract, i'll be interested. my suspicion is that the upload might suck, there will be a lot of conditions and might have to get tied in long contracts and expensive mobile phone tariffs.
Posted by bosie over 9 years ago
Lucky O2 with access to a fast consumer broadband network and contract for iPhone. Although good times come to an end, it could be an easy win for customers with an O2 phone and Be* broadband. If the mails I received from O2 are correct, existing Be* users should be able to migrate (yes MAC required) with no downtime. At this point I see only one negative. Unlike Be*, online support will not (allegedly) be available from O2 and calls will cost. O2 still needs to recuperate costs from the rumoured 40% profits to Apple and from having to invest in 2G technology to support iPhone’s battery life.
Posted by danman7_200 over 9 years ago
AS6670, if you are currently getting 12Mb down with BE I wouldn't go for the 24Mbps option. It's still the same product based on ADSL2+.
Bosie, the money 02 had to invest rolling out EDGE was minimal. All that is needed is a software update to change the modulation scheme. IMO Europe should just wait for the 3G version of the Iphone early next year.

I think the packages will be successful. Consumers are starting to realise the pitfulls of "free broadband" such as the one bundled with Orange. Be have a good network and I reckon this will continue.
Posted by bosie over 9 years ago
That's good to know Danman, i thought EDGE might have cost O2 some. I haven't decided yet whether to stick with Be* and upgrade to Pro or save some pennies and migrate to O2 since i have a phone. Do you think 3G will turn up early next year? I had the impression technology wouldn't be ready until end of 2008 (to use less battery power that is). 3G is still important for wireless devices i reckon because WIFI is not as easy to find as people think, even on Cloud.
Posted by nettech over 9 years ago
A wireless router "with automatic configuration" is included. It's not been stated yet, but let's hope it's not mandatory as with Sky, as this immediately puts off potential (more tech savvy) customers who want to use their own router. The very same customers who tend to demand the higher speeds. I hope O2 have thought this one through.
Posted by danman7_200 over 9 years ago
This is all speculation but the rumour mill on the Internet is that the 3G version will turn up sooner rather than later. forums.mobileburn.com makes a good read

I believe the battery life issue partly to be true, but on the other hand I believe that the Apple Iphone was rushed to the market to try and make $$$ as soon as possible rather than spending the extra time developing just a 3G version of the device. 3G is not nearly as widespread in the US as it is here, but has a widespread Edge coverage so maybe Apple didn't deem it that important.
Posted by keith_thfc over 9 years ago
What people are forgetting is that the UKOnline LLU network hasn't crumbled since the introduction of SKY broadband customers - and they will have a lot more subscribers than O2 broadband ever will - simply because O2 have left it so late.

My guess is that in the long term O2 customers might be traffic shaped, but it will only be a last resort for be* customers since the numbers will be much smaller - and be* don't have the marketing spend that O2 has.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Anyone who thinks they are going to get a Up to 24Mbps for £15 per month with no restrictions or very high allowed usage are a couple of napkins short of a picnic hamper.

Not even skys service is restriction free and they probably subsidise that with rental fees from their TV and phone services.

I also have to disagree with keith_thfc, once O2 have their claws fully into be everyone will be forced over to the type of service O2 want to provide and all the limits/throttles/caps or whatever which go along with it.
Posted by keith_thfc over 9 years ago
Carpetburn

The UK Online LLU service hasn't been affected by SKY's broadband. Am hoping the LLU cost advantages will allow O2 to adopt a similar approach.

SKY's unlimited service is clean afaik - are you aware of users who have been told off for using too much or throttled down?

Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"The UK Online LLU service hasn't been affected by SKY's broadband"
They use different servers for many jobs thats why.
quote"SKY's unlimited service is clean afaik - are you aware of users who have been told off for using too much or throttled down?"
Worse then that see http://broadband.sky.com/TermsandConditions.pdf about halfway down are the usage policies and people have had point c implement '(c) suspend your use of Sky Broadband for the relevant month'
Posted by danman7_200 over 9 years ago
Carpetburn, all ISP's have a fair use policy it's when users start to notice them that they become a problem. Sky's are very relaxed. No traffic shaping at all. My p2p and downloads fly down at over a 1MB, day and night providing the other end can keep up. Fair use policy's are not a bad thing, its the draconian ones that are (plusnet).

Keith's point is still valid. Ukonline hasn't been affected by Sky's buyout of Easynet so I don't see the purpose of your post.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
I didnt bring traffic shaping into the equation, sky have a fairuse policy and nobody knows what amount is fair because they refuse to say,one day you can be happy surfing along the next cut of to the next month. Sure your p2p might go fast but thats meaningless if you dont know how much data you are allowed to leech with it, id sooner have plusnet draconian or not, atleast they are honest enough to state whats allowed in full.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
Also dont think sky and ukonline are the same for even a split second... they use different servers, different staff, provide different services, and have different T&C, ukonline will also happily tell you what amount in gig per month is acceptable... Sky may own them, but the difference in service is like chalk and cheese. When was the last time you saw a ukonline unhappy post in the isp unhappiness section, and when was the last time you saw many sky ones?
Posted by keith_thfc over 9 years ago
"id sooner have plusnet draconian or not, atleast they are honest enough to state whats allowed in full"

Did you really use the words "Plusnet" and "honest" in the same sentence lol? Maybe you should read the thread below.

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=plusnet&Number=3134459&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=0&fpart=

Anyway I fail to understand why you'd rather have Plusnet traffic shape your activity every night in any which way they like than use be or SKY where you've been able to eat as much as you like without any speed restrictions since day 1?

Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"Did you really use the words "Plusnet" and "honest" in the same sentence lol? Maybe you should read the thread below."
1) that has nothing to do with there open approach which says we will throttle some things to death and...
2) Unless im wrong or didnt read part of that thread the remark was made based on a uswitch survey not plusnet thereself as such blowing their own trumpet
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"Anyway I fail to understand why you'd rather have Plusnet traffic shape your activity every night in any which way they like than use be or SKY where you've been able to eat as much as you like without any speed restrictions since day 1?"
I said nothing about bethere afaik they dont punish users for imaginary figures of data downloaded, sky do though from what ive read. Id sooner have a service where i know what im paying for in terms of allowed usage then one where i dont.
Posted by bosie over 9 years ago
Thanks for the link Danman, right up my street i love a bit of gossip. I might now buy the touch and wait a bit longer for the phone. Thanks
Posted by rygar1 over 9 years ago
Carpetburn: BE have an undefined limit FUP exactly the same as Sky does, and indeed any unlimited ISP does. I prefer to know actual limits as well, but theres plenty of user evidence from both ISPs to suggest the limits are very high indeed. Certainly 200GB+ per month. And that is totally unshaped as well.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"Carpetburn: BE have an undefined limit FUP exactly the same as Sky does"
I didnt say they didnt. Difference is betheres has never afaik been envoked.
quote"Certainly 200GB+ per month. And that is totally unshaped as well."
You may well be right but if a company refuses to say and is taking action against some users none of us really know. Bethere freely admit they have not enforced their FUP and a phone call to ukonline results in them happy to tell you the limit.... Try getting either of that out of the lips of sky.
Posted by chrysalis over 9 years ago
carpetburn its not that hard to provide a unshaped service when BT centrals are not in the equation.
Posted by CARPETBURN over 9 years ago
quote"carpetburn its not that hard to provide a unshaped service when BT centrals are not in the equation."
yep and yet you would think it would be the other way round wouldnt you after all bethere are so much smaller in terms of a business than BT yet they offer the end user so much more... I guess thats called irony!
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